• davel@lemmy.ml
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    5 hours ago

    Ukraine was famously corrupt before this war, before the Maidan coup, and before the Yanukovych administration.

    And now that the war is failing, and the hunt is on for scapegoats, corruption allegations will fly.

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      4 hours ago

      Ukraine is actively trying to battle their corruption, with this being a step towards that end, however small.

      Meanwhile Russia is famously more corrupt than Ukraine, has been since long before Maidan, attempted to pervert Ukraine’s elections to install a corrupt leader under their control, and then invaded in an attempt to expropriate Ukrainian land and resources when that attempt failed.

      What point are you trying to make here?

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        Meanwhile Russia is famously more corrupt than Ukraine, has been since long before Maidan

        That’s a lie.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
        2020-2023 - Russia is more corrupt
        2012-2019 - more or less the same, sometimes Russia wins sometimes Ukraine
        1995-2012 - Ukraine is more corrupt

        attempted to pervert Ukraine’s elections to install a corrupt leader under their control

        Are you talking about 2010 elections?

        After the second round of the election international observers and the OSCE called the election transparent and honest

        source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election#International_observers
        You’re either lying again, or using the typical western-liberal “it’s only democracy if our candidate winds” (or, well, both).

        Nice disinformation bro

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        4 hours ago

        I think I made my point?

        And now that the war is failing, and the hunt is on for scapegoats, corruption allegations will fly.

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          You did not. You hinted at a point without stating it directly.

          Are you saying that this corruption charge is disingenuous and intended to redirect attention from other issues? Because if so you need to make that explicit and then support it with evidence. Otherwise it sounds like you’re parroting known disinformation.

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            Are you saying that this corruption charge is disingenuous

            I have no idea how genuine this particular corruption charge is, but given how rife with corruption the country is, I’m inclined to believe it.

            My point is that I think patsies are now being chosen to take the fall in lieu of the most powerful oligarchs and government functionaries, who are also corrupt.

            Otherwise it sounds like you’re parroting known disinformation.

            What disinformation does it sound like I’m parroting?