One of the most sinister problems is with fee-fee vegans and vegetarians, who in service of their ignorance, kill way more things to sustain their politically-motivated and fee-fee-based lifestyle.
I’m as close to vegetarian as my body will allow. I’m just calling the movement for what it is. Eat something that had a face? OMG! Flatten millions of acres, kill billions of insects, displace and kill millions of animals, farm the land with diesel equipment, ship the product in trucks 2000 miles. So vegan potato chips are on the shelves, and no worries we can wear our crocheted shoulder bags with self-assured pride!!
I don’t quite follow your argument. Are you suggesting it requires more cropland to make vegan food than meat? If everyone ate crop-derived foods in place of livestock-derived foods, we’d need less cropland, because livestock animals are not perfect energy converters. I.e., it takes more than a pound of feed to get a pound of beef.
Or are you saying it’s hypocritical of a vegan/vegetarian to eat products of agriculture because of the damage to the natural environment and animals which reside in it? The only non-hypocritical thing for me to do in that case would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so I’ll choose to minimize harm where I can.
See the problem is the same as people who think it’s still funny to joke about abusing women. Even ignoring the offensiveness, we’ve heard it already. A million times. It’s old, really old, really uncreative. Boring.
Just like the shitty, thoroughly debunked crop deaths regurgitation. If you’re going to try debating vegans, at least take a few minutes to do some basic research, cause you have no idea how repetitive this is for us.
this doesn’t debunk every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.
but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, too, are ok with animals during in the production of their food.
We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.
Some insects die on my car’s grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t.
Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.
Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.
This is known as a joke.
One of the most sinister problems is with fee-fee vegans and vegetarians, who in service of their ignorance, kill way more things to sustain their politically-motivated and fee-fee-based lifestyle.
I’m as close to vegetarian as my body will allow. I’m just calling the movement for what it is. Eat something that had a face? OMG! Flatten millions of acres, kill billions of insects, displace and kill millions of animals, farm the land with diesel equipment, ship the product in trucks 2000 miles. So vegan potato chips are on the shelves, and no worries we can wear our crocheted shoulder bags with self-assured pride!!
Wait until you find out what’s eating most of those crops. (It’s not humans)
people consume about 2/3 of global crop calories directly
I don’t quite follow your argument. Are you suggesting it requires more cropland to make vegan food than meat? If everyone ate crop-derived foods in place of livestock-derived foods, we’d need less cropland, because livestock animals are not perfect energy converters. I.e., it takes more than a pound of feed to get a pound of beef.
Or are you saying it’s hypocritical of a vegan/vegetarian to eat products of agriculture because of the damage to the natural environment and animals which reside in it? The only non-hypocritical thing for me to do in that case would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t. Perfect is the enemy of good, and so I’ll choose to minimize harm where I can.
See the problem is the same as people who think it’s still funny to joke about abusing women. Even ignoring the offensiveness, we’ve heard it already. A million times. It’s old, really old, really uncreative. Boring.
Just like the shitty, thoroughly debunked crop deaths regurgitation. If you’re going to try debating vegans, at least take a few minutes to do some basic research, cause you have no idea how repetitive this is for us.
this doesn’t debunk every crop deaths argument. it only addresses an argument in the form “since animals die in crop harvesting, vegans shouldn’t eat crops (or they would be hypocrites”.
but the issue of crop deaths actually points to something else: people don’t care if animals die in the production of their food. vegans claim to care but will eat food covered in pesticides and harvested with threshers. the mental gymnastics they go through, like writing a four part essay about how these animal deaths are actually ok, shows that they, too, are ok with animals during in the production of their food.
We can’t eliminate all suffering and harm, so we shouldn’t even try reducing it? Perfect is the enemy of good. For many if not most vegans, it’s about minimizing harm. Many are motivated by ecological concern as well.
Some insects die on my car’s grill when I’m driving. I still go to work every day while calling myself vegan. Literally the only non-hypocritical action would be to kill myself. Forgive me if I don’t.
go ahead and try to reduce suffering. I’m just starting facts here.
Show me where any vegan has ever argued that these deaths are okay? Your argument is both a strawman and bad faith. It’s the equivalent of when people claim anticapitalists are hypocrites because they have no choice but to participate in the existing system to survive. Cheap.
Why are vegans in particular given blame for crop deaths, when it isn’t vegans who are doing the farming? We have veganic forms of agriculture that we advocate for, and practice in the case of veganic farmers and gardeners. But until that gains more traction all anyone can do is the best they can, with what they have access to - which is far less harmful and destructive than omnis.
and most people don’t slaughter animals. which, by the way, is one of my firmly held beliefs: we can’t blame people for something they didn’t do.
the linked four part essay excuses crop deaths
Well, jokes about rape can still be creative and funny. As long as they don’t feel forced.
Edit: nobody understood my joke. 😭
No, they’re really not. What is wrong with you?
So what, you gotta roofie them before telling the joke?