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Carnivore - The ultimate elimination diet

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  • Regenerative lifestyle

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    2 months ago

    What evidence do you have that it’s healthy? Everything I’ve seen points to meat being linked to things like heart disease and cancer.

    Also, how do you rationalize choosing a diet that maximizes animal suffering and environmental harm?

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      2 months ago

      Thanks for asking the questions! I appreciate your willingness to have a discussion!

      The purpose of this community is not to change anybodies minds, or campaign, I’m happy people have chosen other diets - and I’m really glad those other paths are working for people!

      What evidence do you have that it’s healthy?

      The most concise resource I can point you to is : https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/skeptical-doctors They do a excellent, job and cite sources!

      Carnivore is a subset of a low carb / ketogenic diet.

      If you want to join me in discussing the literature: https://hackertalks.com/post/5678163 https://hackertalks.com/post/5678151 https://hackertalks.com/post/5592913 https://hackertalks.com/post/5596592 (This one requires a few more hoops and is a study about exogenous ketones, but still relevant when making diet choices)

      Insulin resistance is the de facto marker of modern health issues; Carnivore by virtue of not spiking insulin, is a insulin sensitive diet, and avoids the metabolic syndrome family of problems (high blood pressure, cardio vascular disease, fatty liver disease, diabetes etc, etc)

      Everything I’ve seen points to meat being linked to things like heart disease and cancer.

      Heart disease is inextricably linked to metabolic syndrome, and insulin resistance; There are also findings suggestive of cancer linked to metabolic syndrome as well (see above). Carnivore, as a strict ketogenic subset, avoids metabolic syndrome entirely by maintaining insulin sensitivity.

      how do you rationalize choosing a diet that maximizes animal suffering

      If you choose a non-animal food diet for philosophical reasons, I applaud you, I can’t fault you, and I wish you the best success.

      Personally, I have a long journey to fix metabolic issues, and the bioavailability of animal based nutrition is significantly higher https://hackertalks.com/post/5606539 and is part of my recovery plan. Getting proper vitamins and minerals is hard on any diet! Depending where you draw the line, this can be achieved with dairy, eggs, and fish as well.

      how do you rationalize choosing a diet that maximizes … environmental harm?

      I agree modern farming techniques need to be changed for both sustainability and humanitarian reasons. I’ve discussed the improvement of modern industrial food production before: https://hackertalks.com/post/5620914/6043326 but it boils down to

      • Regenerative farming is a must
      • No grain for ruminant animals, use the 15% of the earths surface that is only suitable for range land to feed the ruminants.
      • Animals living natural lifestyles and diets are the healthiest, and the best for the food supply
      • Removing needless medication and hormones from animal production is a must.