Okay, even if the Soviet Union still existed if NATO did not form, how would that be a good thing? You know they conquered the countries like Poland? They actively fought for their freedom. And even today you can see that Russia tires to expand its sphere of influence using force and violence. They are an oppressor, not an ally.
That’s the very idea of a dictature, yes. Americans had more agency in the gazans genocide (since, you know, they designate themself as a democracy) than russians, who at least know they’re in a strongmen dictature.
No, they are an alliance for defense. Nothing peaceful about it, they will fuck you up with military force if you mess with any one of their member states.
No, they are an alliance for defense. Nothing peaceful about it, they will fuck you up with military force if you mess with any one of the US’s economic interests.
But that’s not true. Why do you guys repeat such propaganda without question? Countless nations have messed with the US’s economic interests throughout history, how many times has NATO gotten involved?
The point is that “NATO” is an umbrella term for “US’s interests” or “US military”.
The US can and absolutely does wreck shit up for the sake of their own interests, regardless of international law. “NATO” only comes into play when either other countries are willing to step in or the US might need a veneer of legitimacy.
The point is that “NATO” is an umbrella term for “US’s interests” or “US military”.
Well if we’re just misusing words and making things up, shit, why not say “DPRK” is an umbrella term for “US’s interests”?
I think you might need to engage in some self-reflection and consider whether you may have been influenced by Russian/Chinese propaganda. There is no rational reason to have a problem with the existence of NATO.
So then lobby your government to buy Mirage or Viggen jets instead of whining about the existence of NATO and repeating Russian and Chinese propaganda.
What country did you move to that is so much better than Canada?
Every criticism of the military industrial complex must be a muskow envoy.
By all means, criticize the military industrial complex away. But that’s American. Not NATO procurement of French and Swedish and German military equipment. As your aforementioned article shows, they’re quite good at rooting out that kind of corruption.
But if you’re criticizing NATO and your criticism isn’t based in reality or doesn’t make sense? Yeah my bets are on either Russia or China being behind that one.
You want us yuropeans to die for your goddamn war.
What war? NATO isn’t at war. But if you’re in Europe, sooner or later, you’re going to be fighting Russia. They’re not going to stop at Donbass.
You think we forgot what happened when the said Russians got sick of dying for the tsar so you guys quit fighting Germany and attacked them instead? Or that time when you Yanks sent them Yeltsin and then the eastern block got destabilized to this day?
You seem to have forgotten halfway through writing your comment that I am Canadian, not American. Then for some reason you repeated some more Russian propaganda about America “sending them Yeltsin” and being entirely to blame for a destabilized Eastern Europe.
You have just as much blood on your stupid hands
You can’t even remember what country I’m from. You’re just rambling random eastern propaganda like a drunk person.
it’s the same fucking thing, retard. I was in canada. Just another kind of offbrand brits. Doesn’t change a thing. Exact same lifestyle, culture and political orientations.
I don’t really care. “Eastern propaganda” you’re the one sucking lockheed martin dick, asshole. It would be funny if scums like you weren’t organising the salvaging of our social systems in order to buy bombs to defend ourself against big bad russia.
Russia, who, again, wouldn’t even be its own country if it wasn’t for the nato. Putin, trump, the european leaders, they’re all on the same side. The genocide. Yours.
Given that you’re on a two day old account, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
.ml is notoriously run by, and has a large population of tankies - people who support China and Russia, and defend or deny their countless atrocities. I.E. people who deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre, and say Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and all the war crimes they’ve committed are justified. Basically, anything done by a government that opposes the US is considered a good thing, no matter how evil.
Edit: Adding what Brucethemoose said into my comment directly because its important. Being critical of the US or NATO doesn’t make you a tankie. The problem is excusing genocide because it was commited by someone outside NATO or the US allies.
And to be clear, the larger part of non-tankie Lemmy is just fine acknowledging recent, heinous western atrocities, though doesn’t give NATO quite as much thought I suppose (in lieu of the raging dumpster fires in our own backyards).
NATO doesn’t really do much other than scare Russia and China. There were a couple of debatable interventions in Europe, and the US did demand everyone join them in Afghanistan, but not Iraq, for example. NATO doesn’t just automatically go where America goes. They have actual rules that have to be cited, like Article 5.
That article doesn’t mention Von Der Leyen, let alone any apartment or Belgian police, and it’s an article about NATO cracking down on corruption, not letting it happen. And Von Der Leyen is not the leader of NATO, she is the leader of the European Commission.
Russia and China have spent the past few decades infiltrating leftist groups and spreading their unrelated propaganda in them. “Hey guys, it’s me, your fellow Marxist. Like you, I also want to bring power to the people and end capitalism, but you know what we need to end first? NATO.”
She lives there because it cannot be searched. The commission enjoys extraterritoriality.
Are you a fucking retard. I’m Belgian, my grandma died of anemia because the retirement house was understaffed. Of course i don’t want a bunch of yank and cannies telling us to buy more shit while OUR PEOPLE ARE DYING. Fuck you and your retardedd amerikan maccarthist bullshit. Kill yourself.
Linking an article with a sentence after it implies the article has something to do with the sentence. I’m sorry I haven’t heard all the latest propaganda. But maybe the reason you keep resorting to childish insults is because you know you don’t have an argumentative leg to stand on?
hehe NATO, the alliance for “peace”
Okay, can you think of a reason Russia “only” attacked* Georgia and Ukraine in the recent past and not say Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania?
As a small nation you have two options:
* attacked as in boots on the ground. They engaging in cyber attacks and other forms of physical and online sabotage in many European countries
NATO is the only reason Russia is its own country in the first place
Okay, even if the Soviet Union still existed if NATO did not form, how would that be a good thing? You know they conquered the countries like Poland? They actively fought for their freedom. And even today you can see that Russia tires to expand its sphere of influence using force and violence. They are an oppressor, not an ally.
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Poor Russia, had no agency at all. Had no choice but to become an ultranationalist shithole because NATO forced them to.
That’s the very idea of a dictature, yes. Americans had more agency in the gazans genocide (since, you know, they designate themself as a democracy) than russians, who at least know they’re in a strongmen dictature.
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No, they are an alliance for defense. Nothing peaceful about it, they will fuck you up with military force if you mess with any one of their member states.
There, FTFY
But that’s not true. Why do you guys repeat such propaganda without question? Countless nations have messed with the US’s economic interests throughout history, how many times has NATO gotten involved?
The point is that “NATO” is an umbrella term for “US’s interests” or “US military”.
The US can and absolutely does wreck shit up for the sake of their own interests, regardless of international law. “NATO” only comes into play when either other countries are willing to step in or the US might need a veneer of legitimacy.
Well if we’re just misusing words and making things up, shit, why not say “DPRK” is an umbrella term for “US’s interests”?
I think you might need to engage in some self-reflection and consider whether you may have been influenced by Russian/Chinese propaganda. There is no rational reason to have a problem with the existence of NATO.
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No they don’t. Stop repeating propaganda.
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So then lobby your government to buy Mirage or Viggen jets instead of whining about the existence of NATO and repeating Russian and Chinese propaganda.
What country did you move to that is so much better than Canada?
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By all means, criticize the military industrial complex away. But that’s American. Not NATO procurement of French and Swedish and German military equipment. As your aforementioned article shows, they’re quite good at rooting out that kind of corruption.
But if you’re criticizing NATO and your criticism isn’t based in reality or doesn’t make sense? Yeah my bets are on either Russia or China being behind that one.
What war? NATO isn’t at war. But if you’re in Europe, sooner or later, you’re going to be fighting Russia. They’re not going to stop at Donbass.
You seem to have forgotten halfway through writing your comment that I am Canadian, not American. Then for some reason you repeated some more Russian propaganda about America “sending them Yeltsin” and being entirely to blame for a destabilized Eastern Europe.
You can’t even remember what country I’m from. You’re just rambling random eastern propaganda like a drunk person.
Said who, some experts based on a blackrock report written by McKinsley and edited by lockheed?
During ww1 Canada was the dominion innit? Essentially britain. You guys still invaded russia in 1919.
it’s the same fucking thing, retard. I was in canada. Just another kind of offbrand brits. Doesn’t change a thing. Exact same lifestyle, culture and political orientations.
I don’t really care. “Eastern propaganda” you’re the one sucking lockheed martin dick, asshole. It would be funny if scums like you weren’t organising the salvaging of our social systems in order to buy bombs to defend ourself against big bad russia.
Russia, who, again, wouldn’t even be its own country if it wasn’t for the nato. Putin, trump, the european leaders, they’re all on the same side. The genocide. Yours.
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You have evidence they have engaged in bribery?
Are you aware of the actual reason that NATO bombed Yugoslavia?
Oh, .ml, that explains it.
tankie detected. opinion rejected. *
Mayb imma jus lil fresh around here but what does that have to do with anythin?
Given that you’re on a two day old account, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
.ml is notoriously run by, and has a large population of tankies - people who support China and Russia, and defend or deny their countless atrocities. I.E. people who deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre, and say Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and all the war crimes they’ve committed are justified. Basically, anything done by a government that opposes the US is considered a good thing, no matter how evil.
Edit: Adding what Brucethemoose said into my comment directly because its important. Being critical of the US or NATO doesn’t make you a tankie. The problem is excusing genocide because it was commited by someone outside NATO or the US allies.
And to be clear, the larger part of non-tankie Lemmy is just fine acknowledging recent, heinous western atrocities, though doesn’t give NATO quite as much thought I suppose (in lieu of the raging dumpster fires in our own backyards).
The larger part of users maybe.
Worldists admins are genocide supporters.
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“The US foreign policy enforcement gang”
NATO doesn’t really do much other than scare Russia and China. There were a couple of debatable interventions in Europe, and the US did demand everyone join them in Afghanistan, but not Iraq, for example. NATO doesn’t just automatically go where America goes. They have actual rules that have to be cited, like Article 5.
The rest of the world were willing participants in Afghanistan. The US didn’t have to do anything to “force” them.
Iraq and Afghanistan are interlinked stories, but the way they played out with world support was very, very different.
Afghanistan was a NATO Article 5 mission. We didn’t stick around a minute after the NATO mission was over.
And nobody especially objected to it. Not even much from outside of NATO, excepting Afghanistan itself.
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NATO isn’t corrupting anyone. And I’m Canadian, my grandma’s doing alright.
https://www.dw.com/en/nato-corruption-drones-defense-arms-procurement-ukraine-eu/a-72562793
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That article doesn’t mention Von Der Leyen, let alone any apartment or Belgian police, and it’s an article about NATO cracking down on corruption, not letting it happen. And Von Der Leyen is not the leader of NATO, she is the leader of the European Commission.
Russia and China have spent the past few decades infiltrating leftist groups and spreading their unrelated propaganda in them. “Hey guys, it’s me, your fellow Marxist. Like you, I also want to bring power to the people and end capitalism, but you know what we need to end first? NATO.”
As I was saying, when you try to speak about something, please be aware of basic facts about the subject matter, retard.
https://www.voanews.com/a/europe_new-eu-president-sleep-her-office/6176947.html
She lives there because it cannot be searched. The commission enjoys extraterritoriality.
Are you a fucking retard. I’m Belgian, my grandma died of anemia because the retirement house was understaffed. Of course i don’t want a bunch of yank and cannies telling us to buy more shit while OUR PEOPLE ARE DYING. Fuck you and your retardedd amerikan maccarthist bullshit. Kill yourself.
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Linking an article with a sentence after it implies the article has something to do with the sentence. I’m sorry I haven’t heard all the latest propaganda. But maybe the reason you keep resorting to childish insults is because you know you don’t have an argumentative leg to stand on?
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