• Zanathos@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Not to mention EVs can weight up to 500lbs more than a standard car with a full tank due to the batteries.

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      It should be noted that this is important because it means that EVs degrade infrastructure more than a lighter ICE. So while they don’t fuck up the environment from emissions as much, they cost more in repairs to roads and bridges and such without contributing to those funds through the gas tax.

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        2 days ago

        No, this is BS. Type of vehicle matters much more than whether it’s an EV or not. My EV is lighter than the thousands of pickups I see every day so it’s unreasonable to make the argument that EVs are heavier.

        Plus it’s specious to argue how much more damage an EV does to the road at something like +20% weight when trucks cause thousands of times the damage. Unless that EV is adding 40 tons, it’s effectively the same as any other car: orders of magnitude more than bicycles and orders of magnitude less than trucks

        Just go by weight. It doesn’t matter where that weight is from or what technology makes up that weight

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          Right but ICE vehicles pay for every mile the use the roads through gas taxes. EVs do not

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            Even that’s not fair since efficiency isn’t the same thing as road usage. And one of the reasons gas taxes cover so little of the cost of roads is efficiency improvements over the last few decades.

            Even before you take EVs into account, taxing by weight and mileage is more fair.

            Then when you do take EVs into account, how do you adjust for usage, for road damage, and for your choice of vehicles? Is it fair to charge the same for a monstrous Hummer EV as for a Peugeot city car? Is it fair to pay the same for your Tesla driving 10k/year as for an ICE BMW of the same weight driving 30k/year? Taxing by weight and mileage is more fair for everyone

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        2 days ago

        Trying to find actual twins with actual data ….

        First result is Hyundai Kona, with listed curb weight EV is 550 pounds heavier

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        I doubt it. I see the same thing in ai search results but on reading it, it actually says EV weight not posted and it estimates 1,500 pounds.

        I tried looking up the vehicle and sure enough, weight not listed.

        But the reason I doubt that estimate is a Tesla battery weighs about 1,200 pounds depending on model, and EVs typically save some of that weight from the engine and transmission.

        I know an Equinox EV isn’t very efficient but I have a hard time believing that it adds more weight than an entire Tesla battery pack, saving nothing by removing engine and transmission …. Unless it’s not at all the same vehicle

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            That’s insane. Either Chevy is really shitty at building EVs or those are two very different vehicles with the same name

            Still don’t think that’s representative