OK so this is a really old one. It is referencing the late 90s and early 2000s when the US made about 15 million arrests a year. I want to say that number is about half that now.
And yeah, 15 mil, that’s about how many people that Stalin Gulag-ed in his lifetime. I don’t really know about it since then, but it’s not like any of the people who talk to me about it do either so .
But yeah thanks for calling me on it. It’s important to check on stuff like this and it and it is like a statistics thing. It is kind of just to tweak your perspective to be like hey you know maybe some of the stuff that we’ve taken as a given about the US could deserve a second look and maybe some context.
But yeah, for this particular one like carceral state aspect. I really really don’t think the US gets compared to Stalin Russia nearly fucking enough.
I don’t know I might develop this at some point or something because yeah the US is kind of like what happens when a democracy tries to do a cult of personality for like money. there’s the whole protestant aspect as well. I don’t know 🤷♂️ that might be a good fit for me.
OK so the relevant context for why arrests can be so dramatically high but the number of incarcerated people peaked at 2.3 million is first off turnover like it’s it’s not the same 2.3 million people something like a quarter million or more or the same people, but the rest of it is constantly turning over they are constantly bringing in new bodies into the system and recycling them out into the second part of the system. Which is my larger point of the actual number of people on probation and parole, who have severely restricted status in every aspect of life is more than 5 million and has been this entire time.
The probation system where people are living with reduced rights under threat of imprisonment, and the parole system, which is the same thing, but even more severe where they were already in prison and have since been released, but they can be sent back at any time for virtually any infraction. That class of people is fucking enormous. It’s something like one in every 25 men in the country is in that system right now and it’s been that way for the last 25 years.
Like, the neighborhood I grew up in, and I’d say about 2/3 of every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in as an adult, about 1/5 to 1/2 of the male population is on criminal probation or prison release on parole.
You can you can look at some of these communities in the United States where you know you look at the quality of life and you’re like wow this is so bad. It’s so incredibly bad. Why don’t they just leave and more often than not you’ll find the reason why is because entire swath of the working population are Directly barred from interstate movement by the criminal justice system in the United States.
What would the numbers be for both, the people imprisoned per year and those sent to labour camps for Soviet Union during the lifetime
OK so this is a really old one. It is referencing the late 90s and early 2000s when the US made about 15 million arrests a year. I want to say that number is about half that now. And yeah, 15 mil, that’s about how many people that Stalin Gulag-ed in his lifetime. I don’t really know about it since then, but it’s not like any of the people who talk to me about it do either so . But yeah thanks for calling me on it. It’s important to check on stuff like this and it and it is like a statistics thing. It is kind of just to tweak your perspective to be like hey you know maybe some of the stuff that we’ve taken as a given about the US could deserve a second look and maybe some context.
But yeah, for this particular one like carceral state aspect. I really really don’t think the US gets compared to Stalin Russia nearly fucking enough. I don’t know I might develop this at some point or something because yeah the US is kind of like what happens when a democracy tries to do a cult of personality for like money. there’s the whole protestant aspect as well. I don’t know 🤷♂️ that might be a good fit for me.
OK so the relevant context for why arrests can be so dramatically high but the number of incarcerated people peaked at 2.3 million is first off turnover like it’s it’s not the same 2.3 million people something like a quarter million or more or the same people, but the rest of it is constantly turning over they are constantly bringing in new bodies into the system and recycling them out into the second part of the system. Which is my larger point of the actual number of people on probation and parole, who have severely restricted status in every aspect of life is more than 5 million and has been this entire time.
The probation system where people are living with reduced rights under threat of imprisonment, and the parole system, which is the same thing, but even more severe where they were already in prison and have since been released, but they can be sent back at any time for virtually any infraction. That class of people is fucking enormous. It’s something like one in every 25 men in the country is in that system right now and it’s been that way for the last 25 years.
Like, the neighborhood I grew up in, and I’d say about 2/3 of every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in as an adult, about 1/5 to 1/2 of the male population is on criminal probation or prison release on parole. You can you can look at some of these communities in the United States where you know you look at the quality of life and you’re like wow this is so bad. It’s so incredibly bad. Why don’t they just leave and more often than not you’ll find the reason why is because entire swath of the working population are Directly barred from interstate movement by the criminal justice system in the United States.