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1·19 days agoI will follow up on this research. Thank you.
OK so the relevant context for why arrests can be so dramatically high but the number of incarcerated people peaked at 2.3 million is first off turnover like it’s it’s not the same 2.3 million people something like a quarter million or more or the same people, but the rest of it is constantly turning over they are constantly bringing in new bodies into the system and recycling them out into the second part of the system. Which is my larger point of the actual number of people on probation and parole, who have severely restricted status in every aspect of life is more than 5 million and has been this entire time.
The probation system where people are living with reduced rights under threat of imprisonment, and the parole system, which is the same thing, but even more severe where they were already in prison and have since been released, but they can be sent back at any time for virtually any infraction. That class of people is fucking enormous. It’s something like one in every 25 men in the country is in that system right now and it’s been that way for the last 25 years.
Like, the neighborhood I grew up in, and I’d say about 2/3 of every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in as an adult, about 1/5 to 1/2 of the male population is on criminal probation or prison release on parole. You can you can look at some of these communities in the United States where you know you look at the quality of life and you’re like wow this is so bad. It’s so incredibly bad. Why don’t they just leave and more often than not you’ll find the reason why is because entire swath of the working population are Directly barred from interstate movement by the criminal justice system in the United States.
Dhs says trump did under 2 million and Biden over 3. https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/immigration-enforcement-and-legal-processes-monthly
Ice only carries out a portion of American deportations , but more to the point they have a vested interest in supporting Trump’s political strategy of talking big about deportations and not actually needing to follow up on it just funneling money to them.
Obviously. it’s it’s like practically disingenuous to just look up an ice statistic and immediately check out your brain.
OK so this is a really old one. It is referencing the late 90s and early 2000s when the US made about 15 million arrests a year. I want to say that number is about half that now. And yeah, 15 mil, that’s about how many people that Stalin Gulag-ed in his lifetime. I don’t really know about it since then, but it’s not like any of the people who talk to me about it do either so . But yeah thanks for calling me on it. It’s important to check on stuff like this and it and it is like a statistics thing. It is kind of just to tweak your perspective to be like hey you know maybe some of the stuff that we’ve taken as a given about the US could deserve a second look and maybe some context.
But yeah, for this particular one like carceral state aspect. I really really don’t think the US gets compared to Stalin Russia nearly fucking enough. I don’t know I might develop this at some point or something because yeah the US is kind of like what happens when a democracy tries to do a cult of personality for like money. there’s the whole protestant aspect as well. I don’t know 🤷♂️ that might be a good fit for me.
Hard Disagree.
You should scrutinize wage theft.
Oh also btw the ‘only 18 over’ is bs. I’ve seen kid kids in jail youth programs and I have specific notes about how and how long it took one of them to go insane in MCCC in Montgomery county Maryland December 2018-february 2019
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There is not a fucking soul that has gone through that program and gotten a job in a fire department. You
Hey you know that I don’t get to make these choices anymore because you’re not temp banned.
This is not an academic paper. The difference between an 18-year-old and a 17-year-old is for people who like to pretend .
This is the US is bad group.
it’s just that on this particular platform you’re allowed to come in and pitch your own brand of centrist bullshit. But you are always coming into my house trying to make excuses for the government. Don’t ever think you’re better than that. That is all you are.
it’s only because I am just straight up not allowed to enforce any kind of standards in this community. Let me is going through some growing pains, and my goodness is itmaking it all of the rest of our problems
Individual authoritarianism and institutional authoritarianism exist as distinct concepts.
I kind of steered into it out of frustration because I don’t entirely believe that this is a legitimate miscommunication and I’m pretty sure at least some of it is actually ppl being deliberately obtuse.
Some degree of earnest, ‘America Bad’, unironically, is the buy-in for participating, and that’s perfectly reasonable.
Ya aigh fair enough
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Again it’s not because there’s not serious parallels between American style race-based chattel slavery and the modern forced labor system that we use to enslave people.
They muddy the waters because they are Confederates they are ye old fascists their entire f****** bit is to play with reality. These people genuinely believe that they are scientifically better at being human and that they can prove it with their bones.
Frankly, I think the slavery systems that the US has the most in common with is not even its own historical chattel slavery. Just normal forced labor systems historically that were not multigenerational. Like multi-generational race-based slavery is basically unique in world history and frankly every single example I’ve ever seen of historical parallels or or like any sort of historical precedent for any kind of practice even remotely similar to race-based chattle slavery basically is just an exercise in examining our own biases because they don’t f****** have them. Race is from chattel slavery race as a concept in the English language is from chattel slavery . Most human societies throughout history and most languages even are not going to have concepts of race as opposed to just normal ethnicity because you don’t even have enough of a range to realize that’s a thing that happens. It’s like being aware that there are people in the world with these other characteristics, and half the time it’s in the same sort of breath or sentence as here there be dragons and freaking people with their heads on backwards who walk shuffling or whatever. Like it’s it’s actually basically impossible to both not give someone hope that their life or any of their children’s lives could ever improve and also maintain that situation with any sort of permanence . Modern empires modern science modern pseudoscience is an integral part of that kind of system functioning and it the keys just didn’t exist more than 400 years ago all at the same time.
Like some of the best evidence I’ve ever seen for why the slave trade stopped in the first place is just they realized how many f****** people were dying and enough of the different human links in that economic chain just noped the f*** out of it within 200 years.
F*** I had a bad day
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Yeah but I don’t. Look at the fd wall. He talked so much about his wall. He gets in, what wall did he build? That shit is Obamas wall.
Right, he’s a monkey wrench for governments in a suit. The only issue being he enables the far right, everywhere.
… do you not? Are., they not? The Cold War is over, nato was formed to fight the Cold War. The taliban is in charge actually, idk if you’ve seen. The christofascist right in the US completing their coup de grace and influencing the course to end roe and beyond. … like, Yeah! All of these things are the real trends in the world and our time that the democrats need to acknowledge and build their power around addressing, but they can’t. When we say both sides are the same it’s for this. This incessant need to tie these massive societal shifts that are happening to the character and person of Donald trump.
President Trump has the foreign policy chops of a wet noodle. The threat that trump poses is rather decidedly not from him personally.
President Biden has been feigning weakness while fully utilizing the power of the executive office to conduct a genocide.
Weighted in my mind with Harris’ recent comments on how she will not fight the states for passing anti-transgender laws…,
ladies and gentlemen, variations there upon, this is where we are. The absolute best thing we can possibly hope for, is another Obama.
So . Yeah. Fuck Neoliberal Politicians and imperialism.
Well you can always chat with the entire other school of thought for socialists: “Yeah, what you’re laying out about genocide is accurate. It was a FAMINE. That is what a Famine means. Now use that methodology to analyze the societal context and motivations of any other famine that doesn’t rely on testimonials from Nazis as the core of its evidence.”