• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    OP do you legitimately think the people fucking shit up right now are on the left?

    Like, it’s very vague, but I’m struggling to interpret this in any logical way, it just doesn’t make any sense.

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      3 days ago

      Let’s be fair some of us are far more concerned with virtue signaling than actually making things better. Not all of us. I certainly wouldn’t lump all the left in on that. But there is a very vocal minority I would.

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      3 days ago

      I’m nowhere near LA but at least on BlueSky there’s been a lot of snide “oh, now they’re telling us to fight fascism by being nice!” Under any comment or post about not getting violent and not burning shit. I’m sure there’s some right wing provocatuers but I imagine there are also a bunch of kids who think lighting cars on fire is in fact fighting fascism etc.

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        3 days ago

        I mean…

        How’d not burning cars work out when Biden was prez?

        Martin wouldn’t have won without Malcolm. Peaceful protests only work when there’s a third option besides listening to them or stays quo.

        Some people need the risk of losing more before they’ll agree to equality.

        That’s just human behavior

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          2 days ago

          How’d not burning cars work out when Biden was prez?

          ??? Pretty okay? We got some significant climate change legislation etc… If you’re saying we should have been rioting against the Biden presidency, I don’t think you’re particularly helpful for our current crisis.

          Martin wouldn’t have won without Malcolm. Peaceful protests only work when there’s a third option besides listening to them or stays quo.

          Strongly disagree, look at Gandhi.

          I think there’s a dangerous tend for kids in the West to romanticize political violence after having grown up in privilege and safety that would be unimaginable to much of humanity even nowadays, let alone across history. And more dangerously, to only look at narrow slices of history they like rather than the full sweep.

          That’s not to say seriously violent riots and protests can’t work, it’s just that they cost a huge amount of innocent blood and lives, and of course more often than not, they don’t work. (But those same spoiled kids don’t like reading about those parts of history/current events.)

          That being said, I’m not sure we’re strong enough to actually do a peaceful protest properly. The power of MLK wasn’t the willingness to protest, it was the willingness or even eagerness for supporters to be beaten black and blue over and over and over again in a desperate and eventually successful attempt to shock the conscience of a nation. I’ve seen nothing that indicates we’d have the resolve for that.