I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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    She didn’t add as many republicans as Trump did. Trump want to put American boots on the ground in Gaza for the US to take control. How many Palestinians did Trump allow to speak?

    If those are your concerns, you chose poorly.

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      Nice deflecting from your rebutted “factually untrue”

      To answer this new prompt, just because Trump supports genocide doesn’t mean you needed to accept Kamala supporting genocide

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        I chose not to engage with your strawman. It was not a rebuttal. She tried to negotiate peace. That’s a fact. Trump wants to remove all Palestinians from Gaza and take it for the US. That is a fact.

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          There was no strawman. What did I say that was untrue?

          Also

          “True peace is not merely the absence of tension: it is the presence of justice.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

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          I decided to go ahead and provide sources

          The only thing she wanted to change about bidens administration was to add more Republicans,

          https://www.cnn.com/politics/harris-2024-campaign-biden/index.html

          the same administration that was regularly sending arms to Israel.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-administration-planning-680-million-arms-sale-israel-source-2024-11-27/

          Palestinians weren’t allowed to speak at the dnc.

          https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/dnc-palestine-uncommitted-speech-ruwa-romman-1235085916/

          She had plenty of opportunities to show support for the Palestinian people, every time she supported Israel instead.

          Can’t really cite a source for this, I would actually need you to find an instance where she had an opportunity and didn’t support Israel.

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                You said she enabled genocide. In reality she worked for peace. That was all the power he had. So you were unequivocally wrong.

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                  It seems you and I have different ideas of what enabling genocide looks like. Your opinion seems to be that her working for a ceasefire means she worked for peace. I find that argument weak partially because that was her just doing her job (unsuccessfully), and the ceasefire was only ever temporary and lacked justice (a prerequisite for peace). My opinion is that siding with the genociders counts as enabling genocide. She had the power to speak against Israel and show support for Palestine but did not use that power, she used her voice to say that Israel has the right to war. I also assume she had some power at the DNC and didn’t use it to let a Palestinian speak. Everything I know about what her positions were, based on what she said, her input to the public discourse, puts her firmly on the side of Israel, the genociders.

                  You can disagree with my opinion, but I haven’t made any statements that are “unequivocally wrong”. The paragraph above is the first time I tried to represent anything but my own opinion, and I still don’t think I did a strawman with it.

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                    I find that argument weak partially because that was her just doing her job

                    Her job is the only official power she had and she used it to stop the killing and get hostages released. That is directly trying to stop the genocide. Saying otherwise is counterfactual