• HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    15 hours ago

    …Except that qualified immunity exists, and you can’t make a law and apply it retroactively.

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      …Except that qualified immunity exists,

      Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone’s clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it’s not going to be a blanket shield.

      1 Was a constitutional right violated?

      2 Was the right clearly established at the time of the alleged violation?

      https://www.justia.com/civil-rights/government-violations-of-civil-rights/qualified-immunity/

      Under this doctrine, government agents—including but not limited to police officers—can never be sued for violating someone’s civil rights, unless they violated “clearly established law.” While this is an amorphous, malleable standard, it generally requires civil rights plaintiffs to show not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case with functionally identical facts.

      In other words, it is entirely possible—and quite common—for courts to hold that government agents did violate someone’s rights, but that the victim has no legal remedy, simply because that precise sort of misconduct had not occurred in past cases.

      https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/insights-on-law-and-society/volume-21/issue-1/qualified-immunity/

      While yes, IANAL, I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.

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        I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump,

        Given that what’s happening is absolutely unprecedented, I’m pretty sure that there aren’t any specific court cases dealing with that kind of shit that’s going on right now. Do I WANT all ICE agent to have severe legal consequences for this, if we ever have an election again? Absolutely. But fuck it, I’ll settle for some extrajudicial rendition to the Mariana Trench.

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      15 hours ago

      In 1945 in Germany, the murder rate was about 25 times what it is in current day United States.

      A lot of people who were “just following orders” got justice.

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        Oh, sure, and I 100000% support that. (In fact, why wait? Start today!) But that isn’t going to be people in camps.