Science.

Science has been able to get inside the heads and determine what animals are thinking? This is a breakthrough! We should now be able to communicate with these animals! Surely we can, right?

My point is how you tried to argue reproduction based on instincts, so I brought another instinct-based trait.

Ok, try not eating. Period. I bet instincts will kick in, and you’ll eat, and not starve.

Urbanization and capitalism aren’t part of Nature.

Nobody besides yourself even implied they are.

I doubt it can be changed, especially due to how things are pivoting to technofascism in the world. I doubt it can be changed, especially due to how we humans are constantly endangering other species for living as “modern humans”.

We’ve changed it myriad times. I provided two such examples.

However, we humans have been long detached from natural means of living so transition wouldn’t be easy, we’re sort of cursed to “modernity”, so it’s complicated.

Ah, so you think all humanity is illustrated only by western living, huh?

They do possess intelligence (especially crows and dolphins, not mentioned), but they don’t end up cursed by knowing the pointlessness of their own existences through a broader, cosmic lens. We do.

Are you sure about this? How can you possibly know? How about Octopi? They are, almost certainly, as intelligent as we are, and have 8 brains interworking with each other. You have zero possibility to even guess how they view the world.

If we were to talk about instincts, murdering to eat (hunting) is also pretty instinctive across species… Humans don’t often “murder to eat” because they often delegate it for others to do it, but with enough desperation (e.g. lack of food) a human can even eat other humans (see Chichijima incident)…

Not sure your point? Tribes have always relied on varied tasks for members. Even higher primates do this.

It’s also instinctive to live among the woods.

No, it’s not. Its instinctive to seek shelter, water, food, and to reproduce. Instinctually, we are also social animals, requiring our tribe to survive.

Maybe because we’re legally forbidden by other humans to move to a forest and live as our ancestors did, so we’re required to live “among society”, which in turn requires us to “pay” to “afford” food and shelter.

So, that’s the root of the problem, and it’s something we can change. See: Seneca Nation, or the people of Chiapas.

Wealth becomes meaningless.

I don’t think this is a negative…

So, I’ve gotta ask: Why don’t you just end the one life you can, since you hate all life? I mean, it sounds rather… illogical for you to type all that out, to tell other life what your thoughts are, since you hate all life anyways?

Why not go be a hermit then? Get away from all other humans, and just exist by yourself?

If you’re talking to people here, it means you enjoy your own life, and want to communicate your thoughts to other lives, so they can understand what you’re feelings are. Which means, at some level, you value life.

Problem is that this argument discards the selfhood from those being born.

So, can they also choose to be born?

Selfhood, if we’re being frank, doesn’t really “form” until at least a year or so into life. Just not enough cognitive ability yet.

Do bears choose to be born? Microbes?

Reproduction is an instinctive behavior, in all species. Humans as well.

Our ecosystem has a tendency to keep over reproduction in check. For all species.

If the load becomes too high, resources become scarce, and reproductive rates fall.

For example, there’s a reason why birthrates are falling right now, for humans. And why deadly diseases are becoming more common.

Andrew Jackson was a literal psychopath, and came up with the ideology of just ignoring court rulings.

There has never been anyone like him before as anyone with his type of childlike behavior would have been dismissed.

I’d like to introduce you to Andrew Jackson…

September 11th, 2001 was a real inflection point for the US. We, collectively decided that civil rights aren’t as important as revenge.

Oh, it’s not completely useless. If you need something that makes gibberish that sounds real for ad copy, I’m sure its fine for that.

And, while it may save me, a higher level person some time to produce a document… the cost for the production (Due to the electricity required, and other compute resources, which require all their own people to maintain) outstrips the time saved, when I could have handed the job to a level 1 support person, since I still need to review it and correct it for accuracy.

providing me with quick, straightforward recipes based on what I have at hand,

Ah yes, the wonderful recipes AI generates. Like Pizza made with glue!

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-ai-glue-pizza-i-tried-it-2024-5

You know what else generates quick, straightfoward recipes based on what I have on hand?

My brain. I open fridge, and freezer, and then decide what to make. Usually takes less than a minute to figure something out.

Documentation is easier. Tools for PDF, Markdown have increased in efficacy. Coding alone has lowered the barrier to bringing building blocks and some understanding to the masses.

I have seen none of these, in practice.

The documentation generated is no better than what a level 1 support rep creates, and needs to be heavily fixed before being relied on.

Pandoc still produces PDFs, Markdown, etc just as quickly as it always has.

The code produced still has the same issues as documentation: it’s shite, and not easily bug fixed due to a lack of understanding by anyone with what its actually doing. And, if you need someone who understand the code already to bugfix it, guess what? You didn’t save anyone anything.

And, all of this, only using terrawatts more electricity than before, with equivalent or worse outcomes.

As expected. Wait until they have to pay copyright royalties for the content they stole to train.

LLM might be worse than those but Perplexity is certainly a lesser player in the field.

Its a good thing I don’t just block Perplexity, but all of the LLMs.

And I wont comment on the rest of this, but lets consider another form of property: Real estate.

You own a plot of land. Should others be able to use it, however they feel, whenever they feel like? Or should you have a say in how it gets used?

If you feel like you should have exclusive say in how real estate you own is used and when and by whom, why is intellectual property any different? There must be value in using it, so what’s wrong with revenues generated by that use being shared (At least) with the creator?

Last I checked, I’m not seeing rev shares from any of these LLMs that have certainly used my code and other content to train?

Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions.

Then you don’t believe content creators should have any control over their own works?

The “proper conditions” are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers.

Doing a GET request doesn’t do that.

Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt.

What kind of problems that would be?

Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way?

Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users?

You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”.

Not at all. LLMs are not users.

It’s self-hosted and free.

If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product.

How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at [email protected]”

That’s a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it.

That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same.

Perplexity seems to be troubled by it.

What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths.

If selling text can’t work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it?

Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process.

LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it’s worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don’t need to access it. Periodt.

The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.

And I’ll downvote ya again, if I could :)

FWIW, I don’t owe you a reply :)

On Reddit, I was doing that, but every few months. At most, a year, before the username got canned.

We are talking about Starlink here, correct? Owned by Elon?

That said, all satellite networks are subject to dying if their ground-stations are taken offline, so if “all the fiber for a country goes down”, so does Starlink.

It works, only if Elon wants it to work. Did you forget he shut it off during the war, several times?

That all sounds very vague to me, and I don’t expect it to be captured properly by law any time soon.

It already has been captured, properly in law, in most places. We can use the US as an example: Both intellectual property and real property have laws already that cover these very items.

What does it mean for you and how is it different from being accessed by a user?

Well, does a user burn up gigawatts of power, to access my site every time? That’s a huge different.

Imagine you host a weather forecast. If that information is public, what kind of compensation do you expect from anyone or anything who accesses that data?

Depends on the terms of service I set for that service.

Is it okay for a person to access your site?

Sure!

Is it okay for a script written by that person to fetch data every day automatically?

Sure! As long as it doesn’t cause problems for me, the creator and hoster of said content.

Would it be okay for a user to dump a page of your site with a headless browser?

See above. Both power usage and causing problems for me.

Would it be okay to let an LLM take a look at it to extract info required by a user?

No. I said, I do not want my content and services to be used by and for LLMs.

Have you heard about changedetection.io project?

I have now. And should a user want to use that service, that service, which charges 8.99/month for it needs to pay me a portion of that, or risk having their service blocked.

There no need to use it, as I already provide RSS feeds for my content. Use the RSS feed, if you want updates.

If some of these sound unfair to you, you might want to put a DRM on your data or something.

Or, I can just block them, via a service like Cloud Flare. Which I do.

Would you expect a compensation from me after reading your comment?

None. Unless you’re wanting to access if via an LLM. Then I want compensation for the profit driven access to my content.