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Just so I understand, you’d rather wait around until the complete collapse of society rather than take five minutes to go vote, is that right?

Given this response, I’m guessing you read less than a paragraph in to my original response and decided you needed to wield your superior intellect and values and produce a “gotcha” response while not actually understanding what you were reading.

You don’t actually own anything of value, like a house or a car, I take it.

I own a relatively large house and multiple cars. I have a wife and a dog and a daughter and a granddaughter. I have lots of completely unnecessary consumer goods. Likely I’m more well off than you. Just because I can play and succeed in the capitalist game doesn’t mean I don’t recognize it for the oppressive system that it is and sympathize with the people that didn’t get as lucky as me.

You so badly want to pounce you have to build a straw man to dislike instead of trying to understand a perspective different from your own. You are a petty person.

What do you think a revolution is if not a collapse of the previous system?

Edit: also, it has already collapsed. That should have been evident in the 2016 primaries.

There has never, ever been anything approaching a protest that starts with the words “sitting out”.

In a sense you’re right, but it seems like a lot of people participating in this discussion may have a misunderstanding of the history of disagreements about electoralism on the revolutionary left.

Historically, some members of the left don’t want to waste time and resources participating in electoralism that could be spent doing other things that contribute to the revolution that will happen when the Bourgeois electoral system inevitably collapses.

Others want to participate to signal the point when that collapse has inevitably occurred because the corruption will have become blatantly obvious.

Personally, I don’t think just going in and voting counts as the kind of participation that theory is describing (that is, running in elections, participating in campaigns, etc.)

On the other hand, it has also become blatantly obvious to me, personally, at this point that on a national level my vote just doesn’t count. My vote is dictated by the capitalist class owned and controlled media telling everyone which states will vote which way. The puppet politicians aren’t vying for popular support, they’re vying for oligarch support and the media they control to sway that population. It’s voter manipulation on an unbelievable scale that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I can’t ignore that it has become blatantly obvious to me that the system is rigged by the capitalist class, and participation in it (at higher levels) is pointless.

For anyone interested, this is one of a series of sculptures in Poland meant to evoke playground equipment. You can crawl on it, but it’s not actually meant as a slide.

https://umtychy.pl/131896-tychy-rzezbiarskie-formy-zabawowe-na-os-g-zjezdzalnia