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I became anti-death penalty because the real world data of how it has been applied clearly shows the state does not apply it evenly to all. It disproportional is applied to people of color. Moreover, the state has shown it doesn’t convict evenly, so not only can people be wrongfully convicted at a higher rate for some, but they can even be put to death by the state. So innocent people are being wrongfully convicted and even put to death. Until we, as a society, can apply laws and punishments evenly, we cannot have laws and punishments only for some. So the death penalty should be off the table.

Fiscally, the death penalty is also more expensive to enforce than life in prison. So ethically or fiscally, the death penalty should be abolished.

I’d change that as : “Being an adult is mostly realizing you didn’t look as bad as you thought you did because the only person that was concerned about that was you. Everyone else was doing their own thing focusing on themselves, just like they are now.”

Either extreme is a bad fit. Luckily those aren’t the only two choices.

So I choose a single generalist device that can do everything to at least and “okay” level, then specialized one-off devices that I need capabilities that go beyond the generalist device for that specific need. I read books on an ereader, but if I’m out and about and want to read and don’t have my ereader with me, I’ll read on my phone. So I get the best of both worlds.

This isn’t a new concept introduced with electronics. Forty years ago people were having this same conversation except it was the Swiss Army knife vs carrying dedicated individual tools. A Swiss Army knife is not a great screwdriver, but compared to having nothing, or having to carry around a full sized screwdriver everywhere, a Swiss Army knife becomes a wonderful screwdriver in that situation.

You’re going to laugh at how easy it is. (in a web browser anyway)

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“These kids getting all whacked out on street drugs like … Arctic Silver”

We can do this without anyone dying, as long as we all work together.

Have you met humanity? We don’t do “all work together”.

Lots of people will likely die if this goes forward. You’re okay with that? Are you okay with being one of the dead?

Linus and Frida as geese

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Its not rolling back the clock imo. We have already pulled out those resources. They are in our possession. We don’t need to mine fresh rare earth metals.

So if your policy goes into place, all extraction of rare earth materials stops at, lets say, midnight. We’ve got some spares on the shelf, but without replenishment, and knowing that replen will never come from virgin materials again, those components are horded.

With the global knowledge of this, industry and consumers rush to buy up remaining stock. In three months most electronics stores will be bare electronics. This includes mobile phone stores too. In about 2 months we’ll see new automobile supplies dry up because specific critical control modules simply can’t be built new anymore. Most cars on the road today will break, and simply be parked or scrapped because replacement parts are simply non-existent.

Existing deployed systems all over the world will start to break and not be fixed anymore. Simple things like digital signage at stores will break and remain dead or be ripped out altogether. Lines (queues) will be much longer as many kiosk driven activities now have to be done by humans. Think airport or train check in. Delays in post or package shipping will increase as transport infrastructure starts to break down.

Most of the western world will still have food for many months, but variety will decline dramatically. Anything delivered by aircraft will suddenly cost much MUCH more money because carriers will be trying to keep low hours on now (mostly) un-repairable aircraft.
New computers will start getting bigger again and slower again. Much of the benefits of these materials making computers smaller, faster, and require less electricity.

It will take probably a decade for your recycling program to come online at any scale that can replace what we have for supply chain right now. Even then, recycling can’t easily replace some of the materials as they are bonded chemically during time of manufacture so many lower cost semiconductors simply stop being made.

None of this speaks to the massive economic impact to the world where tens of millions of jobs start to disappear because the world they did relied on affordable devices which are now a premium priced item. Economic upheaval felt by this will make the tariff war we’re going through right now seem like an ideal fantasy.

It will be very eerie to watch our societies and technologies slowly crumble before our eyes and things that were considered near throwaways be now treasured relicts of the past of an age of abundance.

Thats the thing. Compute ENABLES all of that industry. Compute ENABLES all that residential energy usage. Compute ENABLES commercial businesses to operate.

Those sources are referring to direct energy usage, but isn’t accounting for indirect production enabled by that technology.

I agree with this, but this is why I asked you the second question in my original post to you. That question was “And all the services you consume that use these?”

So if you’re saying “yes” to that too, then you’re essentially wanting to roll the clock back to life back in 1940 or so. The consequences on human life will be devastating if we do that. It may be cutting the human population on Earth in half. A good chunk of what compute enables is human life.

I am not going to lie, i just don’t have the energy to put together all the research that has been done on the energy consumption of AI neural networks for you.

I did all that before i answered you because I wanted to make sure my thinking was accurate.

Total electricity (not energy, because energy is oil, gas, coal, etc, tool, just talking electricity here) used by all data centers in the USA for all computing is about 5% of the total USA electricity consumption. source.

They are consuming more energy than entire States in the USA use.

True, but I’m not sure what relevance that has. Lots and LOTS of industries use way WAY more electricity:

“The industrial sector accounts for 33% of all the electricity used in the world (the largest sector for energy consumption is residential housing, followed by commercial businesses). According to the U.S Energy Information Administration, in the United States, 77% of all industrial electricity goes to manufacturing, 12% to mining, 7% to construction, and 5% to agriculture. From the list of high energy consumption industries in manufacturing, chemicals account for 37%, followed by petroleum and coal products at 22%, paper and paper products at 11%, primary metals 8% and the remainder is made up of food, non-metallic metals and all other categories.”

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Then theres cryptocurrency.

I’ll agree its a waste, but of the 4.4% used by ALL datacenters 1.5% of that is crypto.

AI, by itself, last year was about 1% of the 4.4%.

If you’re rationally focused on CO2 reduction, all of compute is a drop in the bucket compared to a number of heavy industries. Again, my numbers here was only about electricity, which does have CO2 concerns, but lots of those other industries use way more electricity in addition to other CO2 producing energy sources (like natural gas/coal/oil, etc).

So if your true goal and concern is CO2 reduction, your priorities should be going after the much bigger fish.

I’m pretty sure there’s no attorney/client protection when you’re violating national security.

I have to assume it was this pill:

His personal lawyer, yes. Not a government lawyer.

In the words of another racist: “They’re not sending their best”

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a better example of “main character syndrome” as Musk just displayed here.

Thats an odd strategy by Russia considering 80 years ago it was Nazi Germany invading Ukraine, and today its Russia. That would paint Russia as being the threat equal to that of the one that existed 80 years go.

You don’t think nations in Africa or Asia use computers, electronics, telecommunications equipment, medical device for things like imaging or chemical analysis in their logistics or supply chains?

Ahh! I understand now! You didn’t read the thread you’re responding to where the OP said these metals shouldn’t be mined at all. You just jumped in and provided an answer for a question you didn’t understand, then you attack my response because of YOUR misunderstanding. You think you’re responding to a tariff question, and not the OPs position of climate change.

Please try to read what you’re replying to next time before you make yourself look foolish like this again.

A good improvement, but an important distinction from the headline alone:

This energy savings comes with a caveat. “It is sort of a best case because the 30 percent applies to the network stack or communication part of it,” Karsten explains. “If an application primarily does that, then it will see 30 percent improvement. If the application does a lot of other things and only occasionally uses the network, then the 30 percent will shrink to a smaller value.”

There it is. Finally an admission on your part you dishonestly edited the clip. Thank you for your honest, even if it took awhile.

With you admission, I don’t think we need to continue this. Feel free to reply if you wish. I won’t be responding. I hope you have a nice day.