Bottom line is, things are falling apart due to incompetence, not a very competent entity taking full control.

That’s the only thing that gives me hope about us coming out the other side of this as recognizably the same nation that went into it.

I get your other points, but (as I addressed elsewhere in the discussion) I find it “close enough” for my purposes.

Processing your words is how I determined that you don’t consider us human

Well, goodbye now, and good luck. You can reply if you like, but I won’t see it.

Objectively incorrect

[citation needed]

And no, Isreal is not killing nearly as many people,

so far

I’ve had to listen to a year of you shitlibs bleating endlessly about how important it was to vote blue because they’re the lesser evil, now that it turns out Trump was actually the lesser evil, suddenly you’re abandoning that.

You’ll find plenty of comments where I acknowledge that Biden and Harris were bad on this issue, so please, don’t put words into my mouth. My position has been the same. Biden/Harris bad on this issue, Trump worse.

You people genuinely don’t believe foreigners are human, do you? That’s why you care less about saving thousands of lives than you do about whether Trump looks good or not.

Maybe in a few months or years you’ll have a better grasp of cause and effect. Those lives aren’t pawns to me, they are pawns to Trump. You’ve seen his opener so far.

No, I’m not capable of looking two weeks into the future, and neither are you.

I’m capable of knowing how Trump operates though through past experience. And so are you, but you have taken the cake he gave you so you have stopped looking.

I already showed you how meaningless his action was - Israel is just killing the same folks but in a different area now. And I guarantee you it’s only the beginning.

You people genuinely don’t believe foreigners are human, do you?

You’re wrong, but it’s a great way to avoid processing any of my words if you insist that’s the case.

How much do you blame the people who voted for Trump or other fascists?

Every one who can be dead to me is dead to me.

Those who are unfortunately tied to me by blood or marriage get the minimum of interaction that family dynamics require me to give.

That’s how it will stay.

he’s already objectively done more than the Democrats did to reign in Israel

How is it not possible for you (all of you who parrot this) to see that Trump tossed you a brief reprieve so you can make EXACTLY this argument? Are you only capable of looking two weeks into the future or something?

As I say every time: Biden was awful for Gaza. Trump is also awful for Gaza, and then he’ll take down as much of the rest of the world and the US with it as he can.

You are literally and transparently doing exactly what Trump wants you to be doing right now, because it legitimizes him.

Israel Invades Jenin Days After Signing Gaza “Ceasefire”

Israeli leaders suggest the operation was plotted during a backroom deal made during Gaza ceasefire vote

Among those killed by Israeli forces on Tuesday was a civilian named Abed Alwahhab Saadi. In footage posted online, he can be seen walking unarmed along an empty road as he suddenly comes under fire and begins to run before being shot and falling face down in the ground. Another shocking video shows a family repeatedly being targeted by gunfire while driving in their car, reportedly killing another civilian, Ahmed Nimer Obeidi.

Medics also came under attack, with at least three doctors and two nurses injured by Israeli gunfire within the first two hours of the invasion. Israeli forces also besieged Al-Amal hospital near the camp and fired live ammunition from its vicinity while obstructing medics from reaching the injured. At the same time, residents described Israeli troops forcibly taking over civilian homes across the city and turning them into makeshift military positions.

Tuesday’s operation came just two days after the start of the “ceasefire” in Gaza, whose first phase is supposed to last for six weeks. Israeli ministers and media reports have suggested the military operations in Jenin and other areas of the West Bank are part of a deal Netanyahu made with his cabinet ahead of the ceasefire in Gaza.

If by “my side” you mean “all Americans including those who voted for Trump” then yes. The only things helped by Trump policies are keeping the rich rich and the hateful satisfied that their favorite targets are being targeted and their least favorite gender has been put back in her place.

My message toward magas and Republicans has not changed, they have been the party deserving nothing but scorn and derision for a long time now.

I don’t think either were a perfect fit, but personally I don’t think they need to be. V for Vendetta lines up great in some ways, much less so in others, but I think it scratches the same itch. They are all cautionary tales about the ways we allow or encourage or accept government use of power, and how those pressure points can be exploited to create various authoritarian and/or dystopian outcomes.

Been awhile since I’ve read any of those, but I definitely have always felt they resonate with each other, and IMO they resonate with current events also.

Although I see your point, I think the origin point (or at least popularization point) that I guarantee nearly all of us are mentally referencing when we read it supplies that explicit point of reference, at least in my opinion.

Huh. You mean like it was a political stunt orchestrated timing-wise for one dictator to reinforce an incoming fellow dictator?

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-issues-executive-order-restoring-federal-death-penalty/

Trump’s order also indicated that his Justice Department may seek to expand the use of the death penalty, so that it can apply to crimes beyond murder. The directive orders the U.S. attorney general to “pursue the death penalty for all crimes of a severity demanding its use.”

Like being trans? Or gay? Or Communist? Or Socialist? Or Democrat?

It’s so brave of Harvard to state this fact on INAUGURATION DAY. Fuckers.

It is kind of brave isn’t it? He’s at peak power and they are choosing now to call him out. Strategically it would have been great to do this a few months ago, but I don’t for a moment think it would have made a difference. Maybe if the NYT could have taken a break from covering Biden’s age they could have run it and it might have.

If Trump went on Fox tonight and told every maga to kill the first Democrat they saw, a good chunk would be outside doing it right now, so I’d say publishing a piece like that on the very first day that he takes control of the levers of power is pretty fucking brave, it’s just too little too late.

It’s not that I don’t understand those concerns, I just don’t think those are reasons to reject the concept, nor the obligation to make an effort.

How would you solve that problem?

I doubt I have the necessary understanding of the nuance to propose any good solution. That’s not evidence that one doesn’t exist, however. And if the folks who should be responsible for such things are choosing to abdicate that responsibility, I’m going to need a better reason than “because it’s hard.”

Me too!

Well, I can at least understand your point of view. Thanks for the discussion and perspective.

That’s a solvable problem, not a reason to reject fact checking as a concept.

“Fact-checking” is preserving a certain model of censorship and propaganda. “No fact-checking” is moving to a new model of censorship and propaganda.

Dude, facts are facts or they are not. There is no rejection of fact checking that will result in more truths being exposed to the world, only less.

My hypothesis is that they now except political support from Trump administration and to pressure the EU?

Yes. We will now export our fascism, making it essentially just the same imperialism we’ve been engaged in forever.

All fair points, but what do you suppose the Taliban would have done to those same people and more if the US had not pulled out when Trump told them we would?

Fair opinion I guess, but I think there are plenty of things you can cleanly give Biden shit about before you get all the way down to complying with the troop withdrawal schedule that Trump committed us to.