Alright fine this is probably out of my depth since you do a lot of things which i don’t. But on a tangent: Do you think we can stop this genocide by moderation alone? Is there no place for convincing people? or in other words you don’t believe there is ignorance here?

Alright fair enough. I agree it’s not complicated and anything to suggest otherwise appears to be Nazi apologia. But hear me out: Its unfortunately not so obvious to a lot of people. My own father falls for conservative extremist propaganda because pumping someone with hate makes them forget to think critically. How easy is it to convince someone to hate a group of people whom they have had no interaction with? Apparently very easy if you are a billionaire controlling the media.

Unfortunately we can’t stop genocide without convincing people its happening. And we can’t convince people out of the mindspace they put themselves in.

Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.

Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.

Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.

I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.

So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.

I didn’t get that vibe from the parent comment. the reaction was to the motivations of the rich fatcats who aren’t happy with the obscene wealth they already have. Not American Exceptionalism.

now imagine this same scenario where you have a choice between driving your truck vs. public transit or bicycle infrastructure. Sure you may not use it but others may no longer be required to own a car and drive it for such short distances in the first place.

the net difference of owning a car vs not needing one and hence not owning it goes beyond just monetary gains.

The argument is not one based on changing behavior at an individual level. Its about policy and urban design.

how much do you spend on fuel commuting to the city? that 1M in the city is buying you a lot more than the 600 sq ft.

from your 420k suburban home, what’s the average distances to your: doctor, groceries, place of worship or study or work?

Do you own a car? Whats the median distance of commutes in a typical year for you?

We also shouldn’t forget time cost of your commutes. Median time spent commuting in a year you could have spent doing other things.

Sure i agree with you that suburb is better if you have public transit connecting you to the city from your home in the suburbs and you use it regularly.

Lol you think your radar for strong women is strong and you think Hillary Clinton is strong?

the liberals need to understand that too and stop being fascists.

“not forced to use them”

This ignores obnoxious hurdles in place to make the free tier as shitty as possible so people buy.

“cover your own ass for mistakes” Well can you personally guarantee that these asshats won’t create traps and gotcha’s along the way?

As a Software Engineer my list is only slightly longer and has these additional companies:

Oracle

Microsoft

Google

yeah where’s that bullionaire/oligarch/CEO list?

Microsoft is no longer permitted on my PC

then you’re simply retired.

A measure of quality of life quite vague and incalculable because as humans we tend to manage money poorly sometimes in our lives.

The idea of a middle class is just capitalist propaganda to get 9-5 workers who earn significantly more than blue collar workers but look like 0 along with other lesser paid jobs when looking at wealth chart that has Billionaires

do you have a business that is incorporated? You enjoy socialist policies favorable to business.

This post and several comments agreeing with this I feel are made with some level of ignorance on “Civil Disobedience”.

Minimizing participation in the orphan-crushing machine but also debating politics on available platforms are not antithetical. Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things that are perceived as “real” worthwhile pursuits. For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted? If evangelising about the “real” problems you care about is labelled as politics then can you really make progress without “political” action such as boycotting, protests and civil disobedience?

In the same vein, doing the small things in protest is the stepping stones to doing bigger things. It works the same way for any pursuit. Why shouldn’t I practice discipline with my disdain for all the evil in small ways while also pushing for more?

Jeff Bezos makes billions of dollars, But He didn’t get the $100 from me this year. Sure that sounds like a waste of time and energy for not much impact. But It didn’t cause me any hardship. But believe me that $100 had either a compounding effect on my own wealth this year or to some people i gifted essential food to. That impact was felt a lot more by me or one of the people i gifted food or essentials to.

Just, please, stop with idiotic replies accusing people to be enslaved in the system because it’s an insult to anyone who is currently looking for a solution for cancer, saving lives as a firefighter, building houses where people will live, growing crops, and even keeping up internet so people can praise the revolution against the machine from their bedrooms.

First of all, I didn’t accuse anybody of anything here except try to push back against what I percieved as a comment that is disapproving of debate:

Ping me when you changed the world with whatever you are actually doing behind that keyboard 👋

Secondly, Minimizing participation in the orphan-crushing machine but also debating politics on available platforms are not antithetical. Debating online is as important as doing the rest of the things you say are “real” worthwhile pursuits. For instance: How can we pursue a cure for cancer if the political climate ensures scientists are scorned and distrusted? If evangelising about the “real” problems you care about is labelled as politics then can you really make progress without “political” action such as debating?

In the same vein, doing the small things in protest is the stepping stones to doing bigger things. It works the same way for any pursuit. Why shouldn’t I practice discipline with my disdain for all the small evil while also pushing for more?

Edit: Add the quote that i felt was misunderstanding why we need to protest in our own small ways.

Edit2: I think we are in agreement. I misread the thread. My comment is actually a refutation of the main post.

It’s so hard for people to agree that we should be doing something. Instead you argue that you are not going to do anything just out of spite all because OP personally may not be doing anything but their words are a bit preachy. If OP was a hypocrite but they still said the right thing why would you deliberately disagree? What would motivate you to act?

You speak as if people doing those jobs aren’t treated like shit?