Yeah, because I consider myself a pretty reasonable person. People have a big problem these days of never engaging with nuance, no matter how much you try to bring any conversation back to it. Things are definitely not as binary as people seem to only be able to conceive of them. The entire world and even the most seemingly clear cut issues have loads of grey area that people just can’t discuss because as soon as you say, “yes, I agree we need to ____! But we need to discuss the trickier parts” it turns into a witch hunt for anyone pointing out anything that might be considered a tricky part because it goes against the “I’m 100% on this side and it’s the only right opinion.”

It’s frustrating.

Proving your point…about what? I was just curious to hear someone’s thoughts who went against the idea that most modern problems can be traced back to the roots of capitalism. But fuck me, right?

I don’t understand this sentence. The two words I don’t know in this context are “gore” and “matrix”

Not trying to get into a whole ugly thing, just curious what your pro-capitalism stance is. Because I would definitely fall into this big Lemmy category of seeing 90-905% of modern problems being rooted in capitalism. So I would (civilly!) disagree, no doubt. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a reasonable discussion!

It’s like “moronsayswhat “ but with your livelihood!

We said “we’re offering you a TEN^thofa percent raise if you agree with this say ‘thank you’”

Now kiss capitalism’s hand, thank it and get back to work.

I mean, natiapnlly-speaking, it’s absolute more a talking point to rile bases than anything. But on the state and local level, very harmful laws are being passed every day.

It was.

https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/rise-wealth-private-property-and-income-inequality-china

In white, pt. 5 font, add “Harvard” and 10 “years experience in ____.” Get past the AI Zane have a smaller pool of applicants against which you’re compared.

Netscape is suing PayPal?

Think the “right to repair” conversation. When you buy something, their argument is you don’t own it. You can’t alter it, you can’t do with it what you want for your own use. It’s theirs and you’re only allowed to look at it in its current form. If it’s broken? It’s your problem. If you fix it, we’re gonna make it your problem. That kinda thing.

I wasn’t making a 1:1 comparison. I was saying that “but look how many people have been lifted out of poverty!” argument is a capitalist argument, because it completely ignores the reality of the situation. Have people been lifted out of poverty by outsourcing? Of course. But that doesn’t negate the core problem.

As the other person mentioned, outsourcing manufacturing TO china is largely responsible for the manufacturing boon there. And then rich Chinese capitalists (though they use the cover of not being called capitalists) became rich middlemen between “western” businesses and the cheap Chinese labor. So outsourcing has absolutely contributed to it. You and the American capitalists are looking at the same thing, one is crediting American executive innovation, the other is crediting the CCP.

Capitalists use the same exact argument for why outsourcing labor to the poorest countries is actually a good thing. For real, I’ve argued so many right wingers saying “searching for the cheapest labor actually helps the worlds economy because you’re lifting those poor people of _____ out of poverty! It doesn’t matter that it’s only pennies/day, because to them, that’s a lot of money!”

Pretty goddamn gross behavior.

“Our decision to conduct this search was influenced by the increasing prevalence of tragic incidents where children have been harmed or killed after accidentally coming into contact with dangerous substances.”

Please tell me they’re not still pushing this “coming within 12 meters of fentanyl could be DEADLY!” nonsense. They say later in the quote that the kids could “overdose” when drugs are left unattended, but I guarantee you they are still trying to use this absolutely nonsense logic.

Yeah, it is absolutely crazy how much the tide has shifted with trump’s reelection. These so-called “woke” companies (it was always performative, but they performed for the more just side) have all turned 180 and dropped to their knees to kiss the ring.

And this is because of the very real feeling that trump will abuse his power and unconstitutionally stay in office. The guardrails seem to have come down, and these fuckers are rushing to get on the fascist’s good side.

That should alarm everyone, so I’ll say it again: these companies are positioning themselves on the side of fascism because they don’t think we can stop them anymore. They are making business decisions that bolster fascists because there’s a fuckin dollar in it.

With the power of these fucking megacorps behind the fascist movement, it’s like sticking a rocket engine on its ass.

Plenty of creators I watch have links instead of coupon codes. So it’s not just broadly one way

I dunno. Because when creators are pushing those affiliate links, they’re offering discounts. That’s why their users go there. And if honey was giving them a bigger discount, I’m sure that’s not illegal. But if it was just poaching the 10% 94 whatever the creator was already offering, giving them still 10%, but taking that “last click” because it checked?

Who knows, the company is bigger and has PayPal at its back. So might makes right in US law. I’m sure that will be the outcome. But I’ve been surprised before.

I mean, is it saving users money though? It’s not, the charge is that it’s just taking other affiliate code out of the link and replacing it with its own. And just doing it to small creators? I don’t know that much about it, maybe that last part isn’t true. But it’s not saving them money that’s the problem, but replacing affiliate links with their own. And they’re saying that it’s just that they were the “last click,” even if it was from an affiliate site. Meaning they probably put it in their code somewhere to briefly load honey looking for “deals,” meaning they were the last one to redirect the click and then they get the money.

Will be interesting to see how they were doing it.

Or the next one