As a man, men think women care about looks more than they do.

Looks are much bigger for men than for women.

Obviously a massive generalisation, but in general. Like “men are physically stronger than women”. Not all men are stronger than women but…

Anyway.

Looks really don’t matter that much. I’d say women pay more attention to personality with the same difference as there is between how much men value looks vs how women value looks.

Also, if I was being very crude, I’d say “status” is the “looks” for women. That’s what you get very beautiful women with older rich men more than you do young hot men with old riches women.

But I’d like not to be crude so disregard that last bit.

I believe, internationally, lots of places which have saunas also have pools or even cold pools. I imagine. Like high class gyms or smth.

But I’ve heard several stories of Finns being abroad and going to a sauna and being prevented from tossing water on the stones (löyly = it’s sort of the water and the heat that results from throwing it, roughly how you’d use “gas” in relation to cars, more gas can mean more petrol or pressing on the gas pedal harder, that sort of word), and the employees saying “you can’t do thaw to it’ll break the stove” because they don’t understand how saunas work.

And to do this to the best effect you need a proper löyly to the point you pour cold water from the löyly bucket on top of your head to bear it for a while longer for all the muscles to really warm up. And then for maximum shock quick jump to cold water, or sometimes just a snowbank. That’s common as well. Hurts like bitch though if you do it with the wrong kind of snow, like jumping on a bed of freezing razors. (The top of snow that was quite soft earlier had frozen and I didn’t see it in the dark and jumped into the bank and there was like a half an inch of raspy ice on top before I broke through to the softer snow. Or I just didn’t care being either so young as not to or so drunk as not to. Probably both.)

And if you’re gonna throw a strong löyly, or even löyly at all in a public sauna, it’s proper etiquette to ask for consent from everyone. Although now that I wrote that I have a feeling asking for consent in some non-Finnish public saunas may have a different meaning, as far as I’ve understood from popular media.

It’s perfectly commonplace to have at least a 100 degree sauna.

I think something like 140 is around the hottest I’ve been in.

The air is that temperature, but there’s also a ton of moisture in the air. You can take it for a few minutes at a time, then optimally you go take a dip off a pier into a lake or the sea. When I was in that 140c sauna it was a proper wood heated large sauna at my confirmation camp, it was on an island in the Baltic so we could run out the sauna and jump into the Baltic Sea. It wasn’t warm at all, but the intense heat of the sauna having warmed all the top tissues and muscles, you get a sort of immunity to the cold. Which lasts for a little while, and when you start getting cold enough, you go back to the sauna, and because the cool water has now cooled the skin and muscles, you get a resistance to the heat for a while.

Rinse and repeat. Literally.

This cycle supposedly has benefits for circulation and muscles.

And having done it ton in my life I don’t doubt that at all.

Usually I have to settle for the sauna in my apartment though. (I live in a cheap rental but a sauna is default in pretty much all buildings built after the 90’s.) And then either going to balcony to cool off a while or take cool shower. It’s not as nice, but it’s more or less the same.

Although I don’t rip the most out of my electric stove to get the most heat. I have it set on pretty low and I just use a lot of löyly. Probably I’d say my normal saunas are maybe around 90-110 degrees at the most. A sauna below 80 degrees is considered a “Swedish sauna”, which is to say we mock them as not being strong and manly as us and so Swedes would be afraid of having a “proper” sauna.

And to be honest the Swedes are pretty on board with this whole stereotype I guess, seeing us as mute emotionally distant brutes. Here’s a cool Swedish commercial featuring a Finnish man. They made it. (that’s not the real title though just the yt video title)

Captain Finland cucks Sweden

You know a nation of people who may not be able to articulate their understanding, but definitely have a high intuitive understanding of that?

We Finns.

100C sauna and no problem sitting on wood, but happen to touch something metal and oooh-weee.

Also same thing happens the others way around when it’s - 20c outside. I don’t think there’s many people in Finland who don’t have a core memory of what cold metal tastes like in winter, because of the resulting trauma. And it doesn’t even need to be metal to stick.

Nicely explained.

They’re on a carriage that’s like pontooned at the bottom, being pulled by the horse and driver who each have their own balloons.

edit oh wait d’you mean the ones in the back right my bad dk about them

“I’m arguing bigger picture”

No, you’re specifically doing the opposite.

You’re taking what you did as a novelty, niche hobby in the 90’s and saying “it’s just the same now”

It literally isn’t. The difference in users is about 5.5 billion and constant access in your pocket.

over semantics of what videos were in ~95 (very low res and shit quality fyi)

Consumer digital video cameras didn’t even exist until 1995.

I’m just saying they were always there

You arguing that the “it’s the same now” is exactly the same thing as saying literature was “exactly the same” 500 years and 5000 years because they share some very base level features.

Again, the difference is users is 5.5 billion to the 90’s. Wireless connections are everywhere.

Imagine how dumb it would be to argue cars are the same as when they were invented. “They still have wheels and an engine and you steer them to go about. We had the exact same thing in 1885!”

Has your clan had a bronze orientation day yet?

That Mitchell & Webb Look - Bronze Orientation

That’s like saying cuneiform on small tablets is the same as writing after the Gutenberg press. “It’s all just symbols marked on a medium.”

But I think you know that there’s quite a difference in being able to print books on an industrial scale and a few priests knowing how to write down taxation in cuneiform on stone tablets.

I actually do have(and still use) the same computer I had in the late 90’s

My point exactly. You’re saying things haven’t changed because you’re stuck. The world has changed in 30 years. Arguably more than in any previous set of 30 year cycles.

30 000 hours uploaded every hour. In 1995 there weren’t even 30 000 websites. >5.5 billion users versus 16 million. Do you have any idea just how huge that difference is? Here’s a hint, the difference is about ~5.5 billion people.

Like what’s your crusade in arguing that “it’s all still the same” when it’s obviously completely different.

My guy, wtf were you doing in the 90’s on a computer?

Playing games.

there were video files all over the place to download and watch.

The amount of some 3 second quicktime clips doesn’t even begin to compare with today’s videos. And you’re pretending like downloading videos on a 56k modem isn’t complete garbage.

Sometimes it would take minutes for a regular html site to load. People were not browsing videos, lol. Maybe in 99 you’d have some sites for the people who had ADSL but a few clips here and there is barely comparable to 30,000 hours of material uploaded to YouTube every hour

Not really sure why you even feel the need to doubt any of this

Because you’re pretending like an incredibly niche experience you had with a thing that doesn’t even begin to compare with today is “exactly the same as it was”. No it’s not. Literally a majority of the world, ~5 billion have a smartphone. Instant access to HD videos, in their pocket, 247.

Back in 1995 there were about 16 million users, now it’s more than 5.5billion. 23,500 websites back in June 95. Now it’s more than 1.1 billion.

I’m not doubting anything. I’m calling bullshit on you pretending like there hasn’t been absolutely massive global change just because you still live in the same garage and have the same keyboard and screen.

I’m starting to wonder if you even where there.

Yeah, people had home videos. But no-one was recording themselves talking to a camcorder to then digitise the video and upload it to an ftp server. That would’ve taken literally days.

What you might have is some beyond shitty webcam (after 94 that is, but you said late and mid 90’s) and you might take an image of yourself and send that somewhere.

It’s how I got my first nudes.

What it sounds like to me is that you weren’t actually there but are nostalgic for the period.

Flash animations were popular, actual videos only became commonplace with YouTube, which was founded in 2005.

And even back in 2005, you couldn’t stream something to watch, the connections were so shit. You might be able to download something to watch, but not stream it.

It’s beyond ridiculous to say things haven’t changed in 30 years. 30 years ago personal computers were a novelty, now they’re a necessity.

“must of”

"Must have", not “must of”

Quakenet is still going strong.

30 years ago you couldn’t share video with just a few min and a link. YouTube was not a thing. It took until early 00’s to have shitty webcam connections.

Now you can livestream 8k

Babylon System - Soul Captain Band

You go down a list of inventions pretty progressively, skimming the best of the last decade or two, then TV and radio… at a century or at most two.

Then you skip to currency, which is several millenia old.

I remember when the Internet was a thing people went on and/or visited/surfed, but not something you’d imagine having 247.

I was born in the 80’s and all those gave me nostalgia.

Especially the horse shit. Mm. Rode a lot as a kid, and cleaned stables.

cigarettes and horse shit in the street.

In my memory that’s when I was about 7-9, rode horses. Dad smoked a lot.

cigarettes and bloody mud

That’s when I was in the army. We smoked a lot.

20s - cigarettes and bootleg whiskey

Dad also drank quite a bit.

cigarettes and dust.

15-16, driving mopeds and 125cc’s on dusty roads.

cigarettes and either gunpowder or a machine shop.

That’s the army again

cigarettes and gasoline.

Mopeds again

cigarettes and canned food.

Student times, lots of tuna and spaghetti and indoor smoking.

1980s - cigarettes and hair spray.

70s - cigarettes and alternating body odor and heavy cologne/perfume.

Mom used a ton of hairspray and dad had a really strong cologne.

I was gonna say I’ve no idea of my brand but ofc I do, it’s IKEA

Oh I just call that the spaghetti ladle.

Pretty sure mine doesn’t have a hole that measures spaghetti.

I just cut a hole in the corner and slide it out.

Or tear a big of the box lid off, but boxes aren’t as common anymore.

Always lagom. Enough for one meal and a bit left over for a snack later / next day.

wtf is a “spaghetti lifter”?

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