Her argument is that more people will move to red states as a result. I hate to break it to her, but increased population density is almost guaranteed to make states turn blue.
So by winning, Democrats are actually losing, making red states turn blue, so Democrats are winning. Suck it, commies!
Moving from blue to red again was a shock, I sure miss the quality of public services. This place is falling apart unless you live in the richest suburbs.
I live in Bumfuck, WV. Quite possibly the stupidest state in the Union. Our elected representation perfectly encapsulates the constituents of the state. Moronic, incompetent, and completely unwilling to incite change for a more prosperous future.
I fucking hate it here. I can’t wait to be able to move.
I went Michigan, Illinois, Texas, Minnesota, Texas. That last jump was a hard transition. Frankly, I hope we get invaded by Mexico because there’s no other way to fix the state government at this point.
you can always move to mexico? i known people who moved mexico during my ccollege years. after a semester in cc , he stayed in mexico after that. thailands another option.
Preach brother. Had no idea, just wanted to move. Now I’m counting the days to get out of here. More money, better public services, cleaner, and COL isn’t much of an argument at this point. Although it wasn’t a big deal anyway. Rent caught up quick and the only perk is a front yard and backyard I don’t use except to walk the dog. Aside from that, it’s clear how far a few more dollars for state taxes go. Good learning experience. Loved the people, but no thanks to climate. Political and physical.
Isn’t it conservatives that are leaving blue states? I know urban centers tend to be more left leaning but I don’t think those people will quickly change their views just from moving. Maybe their kids?
Independent of left and right, a higher population density naturally results in increased support for public services, which the right has decided to firmly establish themselves as being against.
Plus there’s the added benefit of prejudice and racism decreasing in a more diverse community. (at least on a personal level)
which are often conservatives, Barring financial reasons, some left/dems to leave HCOL blue states like cali, but they are white so they will do fine in texas. not so much for POCs/lgbtq+ people.
My dad moved from California to Columbia, Missouri about a decade ago. No complaints other than the weather, but his district is posh and next to the campus.
Columbia has one huge university and two good sized colleges. As far as Missouri goes, it’s probably the most liberal city. Take a drive for 10 minutes in any direction though and the atmosphere definitely changes.
A number of states specifically structured their tax policies to be super friendly to retirees, so some ran the numbers and said “oh I can afford to sell my expensive house up north, move south and buy a better/similar house for less and pay less taxes as I withdraw my retirement money? Also I don’t have to deal with winters anymore?! Sign me up!” And since they don’t have to worry about job availability they can live basically anywhere that has the amenities they want and fits their budget, thus the American south became a gigantic retirement community
arnt they still concentrated in BLUE counties in the south though. i had anext door neighbor that retired, financially they saw texas as a retirement state, so they moved there, Houston i believe, plus they are also white, and pretty much getting annoyed with non-whites(they were pretty subtle about and not express it openly)
See the one thing to remember is that places can be majority one party, but if consistently 60% of voter vote for one party that still means that 40% of the voters vote differently. There’s tons of moderates and Republicans in very blue areas and there’s tons of moderates and Democrats in red areas. Some of these retirees might be moderates or hold different opinions from where they live. They may even simply be folks who aren’t plugged into politics and don’t really know or care that much what their neighbors’ political opinions are.
I’m overgeneralizing here, but retirees don’t work (especially not highly physical jobs that badly require workers rights reform. They might do some independent contracting for the last place they worked as a side gig though!) they don’t go to school, they don’t have much debt with their home, vehicles and student loans all paid off long ago, they don’t rent, they aren’t first time home buyers, they aren’t raising a family and struggling with the cost of daycare. Retirees are basically just trust fund babies except they spent the last 40 years building their own trust fund. And as people are living longer healthier lives, we’re getting retirees who have been retired for 20+ years and are even further disconnected from the needs of those who are still working and raising families
My point is, depending on the person, politics probably isn’t a big deal to them when they select a low cost of living area to retire to. And in the south there’s tons of 55+ communities and communities intended for retirees that are conveniently built just outside of metro areas to reduce tax burden (because taxes are generally the biggest cost for retirees!)
also I’m pretty sure smaller stuff that’s not for the us president is not counted just purely per vote but more on winning districts so just having more conservatives collected in one area would only mean that a presumably an already very red area gets redder without doing anything more
Her argument is that more people will move to red states as a result. I hate to break it to her, but increased population density is almost guaranteed to make states turn blue.
So by winning, Democrats are actually losing, making red states turn blue, so Democrats are winning. Suck it, commies!
Moving from blue to red again was a shock, I sure miss the quality of public services. This place is falling apart unless you live in the richest suburbs.
Moving from red to blue was a shock. Did you know blue states will actually attempt to improve citizens lives?
I live in Bumfuck, WV. Quite possibly the stupidest state in the Union. Our elected representation perfectly encapsulates the constituents of the state. Moronic, incompetent, and completely unwilling to incite change for a more prosperous future.
I fucking hate it here. I can’t wait to be able to move.
Once upon a time West Virginia was Woke Virginia
they kept MANCHIN around in the hopes of shoring up COAL futures. its shouldved died decades ago.
the people moving to red are usually republicans, not many of them are wealthy, they moved based on vibes, and covid.
I moved from blue to purple, then red, then redder. It’s been an adventure.
I went Michigan, Illinois, Texas, Minnesota, Texas. That last jump was a hard transition. Frankly, I hope we get invaded by Mexico because there’s no other way to fix the state government at this point.
you can always move to mexico? i known people who moved mexico during my ccollege years. after a semester in cc , he stayed in mexico after that. thailands another option.
I am ethnically Italian. I am culturally San Diegan, aka Mexican. I would have no trouble adjusting.
Hell in the 60’s Hollywood you were Mexican.
But like … Why would you do that?
Chasing a lower cost of living
And how has that worked out for you?
Pretty well other than the people that post my address when I piss them them off for calling out their hate speech.
Its a viable strategy.
Get a career going in a blue state when you’ve got supports to help you make it.
Make a good amount of money, or get a decent wage/salary.
Then transfer that all to a lower cost area to rest on your laurels and skip out on having to pay into support for the next generation.
Its a perfectly conservative thing to do, pulling up the ladder after you’ve succeeded with it.
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I hear New Mexico is beautiful and cheap!
I hear Mexico is also beautiful and cheaper
Preach brother. Had no idea, just wanted to move. Now I’m counting the days to get out of here. More money, better public services, cleaner, and COL isn’t much of an argument at this point. Although it wasn’t a big deal anyway. Rent caught up quick and the only perk is a front yard and backyard I don’t use except to walk the dog. Aside from that, it’s clear how far a few more dollars for state taxes go. Good learning experience. Loved the people, but no thanks to climate. Political and physical.
I moved from very blue to just kinda blue.
By winning they make MAGA folks go away? Sounds like double winning to me…
Isn’t it conservatives that are leaving blue states? I know urban centers tend to be more left leaning but I don’t think those people will quickly change their views just from moving. Maybe their kids?
Independent of left and right, a higher population density naturally results in increased support for public services, which the right has decided to firmly establish themselves as being against.
Plus there’s the added benefit of prejudice and racism decreasing in a more diverse community. (at least on a personal level)
which the RIGHT ALSO is the largest recipient of WELFARE.
She doesn’t specifically mention conservatives moving. Her argument seemed to be that everyone will flee the socialist hellscape.
which are often conservatives, Barring financial reasons, some left/dems to leave HCOL blue states like cali, but they are white so they will do fine in texas. not so much for POCs/lgbtq+ people.
My dad moved from California to Columbia, Missouri about a decade ago. No complaints other than the weather, but his district is posh and next to the campus.
Sounds like a college town, so I imagine it’s not at all indicative of the rest of the state, politically
Columbia has one huge university and two good sized colleges. As far as Missouri goes, it’s probably the most liberal city. Take a drive for 10 minutes in any direction though and the atmosphere definitely changes.
I’ve been to Columbia before. Supremely bizarre drive from St Louis to the campus. With any luck that’ll be my first and only time in Missouri
You get a lot of retirees who want to move South. Maybe they have family there, or maybe they just want nicer weather.
A number of states specifically structured their tax policies to be super friendly to retirees, so some ran the numbers and said “oh I can afford to sell my expensive house up north, move south and buy a better/similar house for less and pay less taxes as I withdraw my retirement money? Also I don’t have to deal with winters anymore?! Sign me up!” And since they don’t have to worry about job availability they can live basically anywhere that has the amenities they want and fits their budget, thus the American south became a gigantic retirement community
arnt they still concentrated in BLUE counties in the south though. i had anext door neighbor that retired, financially they saw texas as a retirement state, so they moved there, Houston i believe, plus they are also white, and pretty much getting annoyed with non-whites(they were pretty subtle about and not express it openly)
See the one thing to remember is that places can be majority one party, but if consistently 60% of voter vote for one party that still means that 40% of the voters vote differently. There’s tons of moderates and Republicans in very blue areas and there’s tons of moderates and Democrats in red areas. Some of these retirees might be moderates or hold different opinions from where they live. They may even simply be folks who aren’t plugged into politics and don’t really know or care that much what their neighbors’ political opinions are.
I’m overgeneralizing here, but retirees don’t work (especially not highly physical jobs that badly require workers rights reform. They might do some independent contracting for the last place they worked as a side gig though!) they don’t go to school, they don’t have much debt with their home, vehicles and student loans all paid off long ago, they don’t rent, they aren’t first time home buyers, they aren’t raising a family and struggling with the cost of daycare. Retirees are basically just trust fund babies except they spent the last 40 years building their own trust fund. And as people are living longer healthier lives, we’re getting retirees who have been retired for 20+ years and are even further disconnected from the needs of those who are still working and raising families
My point is, depending on the person, politics probably isn’t a big deal to them when they select a low cost of living area to retire to. And in the south there’s tons of 55+ communities and communities intended for retirees that are conveniently built just outside of metro areas to reduce tax burden (because taxes are generally the biggest cost for retirees!)
also I’m pretty sure smaller stuff that’s not for the us president is not counted just purely per vote but more on winning districts so just having more conservatives collected in one area would only mean that a presumably an already very red area gets redder without doing anything more