Have you been to Amman Jordan, Bogotá Colombia, Minneapolis or Washington, D.C. USA, Thessaloniki Greece, Manila Philippines, Jakarta Indonesia?
All face increased congestion for regular traffic which directly leads to feeder lane issues and regular unauthorized traffic when people who can’t use bus routes end up driving on the bus lanes so they don’t lose thei jobs and end up homeless. But hey, the state collects fines from them, fuck them for existing in a society where owning a car is a life necessity, all that matters is buses are up to 30% faster, right?
High speed trains can make travel practical for way more people, and should be prioritized, with ground public transport to augment last mile. Buses shouldn’t replace trains as the primary method of public transport, and building them dedicated roads when the metro isn’t sufficient is resource wasting.
The two must work in concert, nobody is saying use buses instead of subways. But without unimpeded buses that go similar to or faster than cars, people won’t use the trains.
Numerous cities in India has trouble getting people to adopt subways because they neglected their bus infrastructure. Here in Hanoi, the 2 lines of elevated rail run near capacity during commute hours because the buses rarely get stuck in traffic(they don’t have dedicated lanes, but everything smaller than a car knows to get out of the way)
Fix the congestion first, then improve bus network speed by creating dedicated bus lanes. The buses don’t go most places people need to go and improving bus rider quality of life at the expense of everyone else isn’t a viable long term solution. Improving the always running late subway and clean up the rat filled stations and people will ride it instead of cars.
I provided you a long list of cities that are suffering from their half-implemented bus lanes, and instead of engaging with the facts, you just went ahead and stated your opinion.
Here in Hanoi, the 2 lines of elevated rail run near capacity during commute hours because the buses rarely get stuck in traffic(they don’t have dedicated lanes…
You do have dedicated bus lanes, the program was launched in 2017, and it runs well below the anticipated capacity of the program specifically because of the problems I already highlighted.
The rail runs at capacity but the buses don’t. That’s counter to your point, and indicates a need for increased rail capacity, not worsening regular traffic.
Millions and years will be spent to make NYC even more congested to make buses 10-30% faster and they’ll run below capacity, while that money could have been invested to improve/expand the subway system which will move way more people faster and cheaper.
but everything smaller than a car knows to get out of the way)
The problem with half-implemented bus lanes isn’t the bus lanes, but that they haven’t implemented the whole thing yet. The more regular you can get bus service, the more people can take it to work and the less congestion.
See, your not listening. I never said bus lanes are bad, I said building a dedicated bus lanes on a famously congested road to make it more congested while the subway needs some love is a mistake. I said improve the subway to reduce congestion and THEN create dedicated bus lanes.
Rarely used? You can move like a hundred times more people on a dedicated bus lanes than a mixed road.
Have you been to seoul? Nearly everywhere buses go, they get a dedicated lane. Even better BRT systems even give buses priority at lights.
Have you been to Amman Jordan, Bogotá Colombia, Minneapolis or Washington, D.C. USA, Thessaloniki Greece, Manila Philippines, Jakarta Indonesia?
All face increased congestion for regular traffic which directly leads to feeder lane issues and regular unauthorized traffic when people who can’t use bus routes end up driving on the bus lanes so they don’t lose thei jobs and end up homeless. But hey, the state collects fines from them, fuck them for existing in a society where owning a car is a life necessity, all that matters is buses are up to 30% faster, right?
High speed trains can make travel practical for way more people, and should be prioritized, with ground public transport to augment last mile. Buses shouldn’t replace trains as the primary method of public transport, and building them dedicated roads when the metro isn’t sufficient is resource wasting.
The two must work in concert, nobody is saying use buses instead of subways. But without unimpeded buses that go similar to or faster than cars, people won’t use the trains.
Numerous cities in India has trouble getting people to adopt subways because they neglected their bus infrastructure. Here in Hanoi, the 2 lines of elevated rail run near capacity during commute hours because the buses rarely get stuck in traffic(they don’t have dedicated lanes, but everything smaller than a car knows to get out of the way)
You’re not listening, you just want to talk.
Fix the congestion first, then improve bus network speed by creating dedicated bus lanes. The buses don’t go most places people need to go and improving bus rider quality of life at the expense of everyone else isn’t a viable long term solution. Improving the always running late subway and clean up the rat filled stations and people will ride it instead of cars.
I provided you a long list of cities that are suffering from their half-implemented bus lanes, and instead of engaging with the facts, you just went ahead and stated your opinion.
You do have dedicated bus lanes, the program was launched in 2017, and it runs well below the anticipated capacity of the program specifically because of the problems I already highlighted.
The rail runs at capacity but the buses don’t. That’s counter to your point, and indicates a need for increased rail capacity, not worsening regular traffic.
Millions and years will be spent to make NYC even more congested to make buses 10-30% faster and they’ll run below capacity, while that money could have been invested to improve/expand the subway system which will move way more people faster and cheaper.
lol
The problem with half-implemented bus lanes isn’t the bus lanes, but that they haven’t implemented the whole thing yet. The more regular you can get bus service, the more people can take it to work and the less congestion.
See, your not listening. I never said bus lanes are bad, I said building a dedicated bus lanes on a famously congested road to make it more congested while the subway needs some love is a mistake. I said improve the subway to reduce congestion and THEN create dedicated bus lanes.