• Glasgow@lemmy.ml
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    They vote for the status quo when there is an algorithmic conservative fear beast under their bed.

    Your choice was to vote to prevent Trump getting in or to enable it.

    And no it involves building up parallel institutions, counter-economic systems, mutual aid networks on the grassroots level outside the states control.

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      They vote for the status quo when there is an algorithmic conservative fear beast under their bed.

      No, they don’t! If you were right, she’d have won! How can you possibly assert this in direct contradiction to the evidence?

      And no it involves building up parallel institutions, counter-economic systems, mutual aid networks on the grassroots level outside the states control.

      Right, so exactly like what PSL does.

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        What evidence? Both statements can be true

        • Kamala implementing policies you wanted would’ve lost her enough votes to make winning impossible
        • she lost enough votes from safe votes who opted out due to people equating Trump and Kamala

        PSL? Pakistani Super League?

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          What evidence? Both statements can be true

          • Kamala implementing policies you wanted would’ve lost her enough votes to make winning impossible
          • she lost enough votes from safe votes who opted out due to people equating Trump and Kamala

          In that case her defeat was inevitable and none of this matters. I reject that defeatism because her strategic errors are obvious and many. If establishment democrats don’t see a path to victory, they should get out of the way and let someone with more vision have a try.

          PSL?

          The Party for Socialism and Liberation.

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            It was with the sentiment generated by never-genocide voters, sure.

            Socialism? In America? After decades of red scare hysteria and hypertardation? Gerrymandering and vote suppression? Doubt it.

            What’ll work is a truly freed market. Not in the AnCap sense but in the anti-capitalist (and anti-collectivist) sense.

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              The path we’re on is fundamentally unsustainable. Something will have to give. Free markets are not capable of addressing human needs and the collective crises we’re facing, but regardless, you won’t be getting any change in any direction except the steady decline into dysfunction and right-wing extremism that we’ve been getting so long as the two party system remains hegemonic.

              You can punch left all you want, but again, the anti-genocide voters did not swing the election. Regardless, you people all have a completely upside-down conception of politics. Politicians must change to conform to the values that voters have, not the other way around, it’s completely backwards to blame masses of people for holding onto valid moral convictions rather than blaming the politicians that failed to account for and accommodate those convictions. It’s just bootlicking, I find it quite spineless and repulsive frankly, and it’s very sad to me that anyone could have such a feckless way of thinking about politics.

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                Again, not free markets in the ancap sense. A truly freed market requires us to dismantle all non-state forms of coercion and privilege that distort economic interactions.

                There is nowhere left of me to punch. I’m punching up at the Auths who think reform is a viable path to liberation.

                Election wasn’t lost because of values it was because people are easily manipulated to vote against their interests.