I obviously can’t speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying “agree to disagree” with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.
Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people’s different political values. They said “If someone doesn’t think I should have human rights, I don’t want to work with them.” which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.
someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.
That’s a good point. I guess things have gotten so bad I don’t consider those views to be held only by extremists anymore but maybe (and hopefully) I’m wrong about that.
Isn’t the fact that it’s uncommon what makes it extreme though? I could be wrong about that but I’m not sure how else you’d define what is extreme vs not.
i wouldnt say so. what makes it extreme is that it sits at the far end of the political spectrum. a good analogy would be hot and cold (I’ll use Fahrenheit bc I’m American). anywhere from 60-80 degrees is generally tolerable even if it may not be comfortable. 90 degrees is a temperature nearly nobody likes being at but it isnt extreme, its just uncomfortable. 100 degrees still isnt quite extreme, but it is dangerous if you aren’t careful. anything above that is an extremely high temperature. you could mirror that onto the other side of the tolerable range I mentioned and it would be the same. extreme does not mean unpopular, it means so far outside of a tolerable range as to be excessively bad (whatever constitutes ‘bad’ in-context, often dangerous). unpopular is a separate, arbitrary thing that only describes approval and not how extreme something is.
I think how extreme is nothing to do with how popularity. Nacis were popular yet everyone can agree they were extremist. In an ideal world democracy should keep the extreme views unpopular…
I obviously can’t speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying “agree to disagree” with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.
Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people’s different political values. They said “If someone doesn’t think I should have human rights, I don’t want to work with them.” which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.
someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.
That’s a good point. I guess things have gotten so bad I don’t consider those views to be held only by extremists anymore but maybe (and hopefully) I’m wrong about that.
well since it is an extreme, anyone holding that viewpoint is an extremist. it has nothing to do with how common it is.
Isn’t the fact that it’s uncommon what makes it extreme though? I could be wrong about that but I’m not sure how else you’d define what is extreme vs not.
i wouldnt say so. what makes it extreme is that it sits at the far end of the political spectrum. a good analogy would be hot and cold (I’ll use Fahrenheit bc I’m American). anywhere from 60-80 degrees is generally tolerable even if it may not be comfortable. 90 degrees is a temperature nearly nobody likes being at but it isnt extreme, its just uncomfortable. 100 degrees still isnt quite extreme, but it is dangerous if you aren’t careful. anything above that is an extremely high temperature. you could mirror that onto the other side of the tolerable range I mentioned and it would be the same. extreme does not mean unpopular, it means so far outside of a tolerable range as to be excessively bad (whatever constitutes ‘bad’ in-context, often dangerous). unpopular is a separate, arbitrary thing that only describes approval and not how extreme something is.
I think how extreme is nothing to do with how popularity. Nacis were popular yet everyone can agree they were extremist. In an ideal world democracy should keep the extreme views unpopular…