• arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    6 days ago

    If govts actually start making stuff like grapheneos illegal, maybe I’ll just stop using smartphones. If they’re gonna be that blatant about wanting to be a surveillance state, then I see little reason to help them.

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      6 days ago

      I think it is quite hard to avoid smartphone nowadays because some necessities such as: ID, messaging, banking etc almost requires smartphones.

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        6 days ago

        While it’d be difficult, you can usually make do with a browser or visiting in-person (e.g. with a bank, they need to know who you are anyway, so visiting in-person is mostly just an inconvenience). Physical ID is likely still going to be a thing for the forseeable future since at minimum there are bunch of old people who basically don’t know how to use smartphones (or at least use them well).

        Messaging is more problematic. You could probably use a combination of something that functions on your computer and a dumb phone for urgent things (although since texts/calls wouldn’t be E2EE, you’d have to assume the govt knows the contents of the convo).

        IMO it’s entirely feasible just quite inconvenient.

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          6 days ago

          Digital ID or passport with smartphone is there and even many EU countries embraces and hell even ICAO endorse it. The future for world with smartphone only is closer.

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            I personally don’t think that’s really feasible unless they provide smartphones for every citizen themselves, and even then people like my grandparents would basically not be able to live given that they only barely know how to message me (and even that they do wrong sometimes, so…). They can certainly make it difficult without a smartphone, but they likely can’t completely eliminate physical IDs until those issues are gone.

            EDIT: also, if that does become an issue at some point, you can keep your smartphone off unless necessary and don’t use a simcard. When on keep it in airplane mode. If you need a connection to use digital ID, do it briefly over wifi (since presumably most places you’d need digital ID would have wifi) and then turn it back off. While not perfect, this would probably be good enough for most people.

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        6 days ago

        These are all no necessities whete I sit. I use TAN generators for banking. I use Signal and Matrix for messaging.

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          6 days ago

          Signal requires a smartphone bro and for matrix (outside of discord). it just normal user does not know about it.

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            5 days ago

            You can use Signal on a Linux system or a Google-free tablet. I use LineageOS and GrapheneOS on my smartphones and WiFi tablets. Obviously, I’m not a normal user.

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      6 days ago

      No maybe about that. A MiFi router and a tablet would be a workaround. If they outlaw general computers that would be it, no more computers for me.