Fun fact: once people get ticketed, by and large they slow down. Then once enough people on the route get a ticket, TRAFFIC slows down.
Source: I was there for Parkside. It was wild watching more and more people shift to a slow speed. You could literally tell who’d been ticketed for a few weeks in the middle. There was a short time where I’d call it “chaotic” because enough people were slowed down but a large enough percentage were still speeding and you basically had a road with 2 speed “limits”
Within a few months it had all settled and now people drive slower there. I got one ticket. I paid it.
once people get ticketed, by and large they slow down. Then once enough people on the route get a ticket, TRAFFIC slows down.
If that was the case, then speeding wouldn’t exist now and we wouldn’t need traffic calming and improved urban design. The majority of speeding isn’t done intentionally, and it is just a result of people driving at a speed that is comfortable based on the physical conditions and design of the road they are driving on.
Congratulations, you incurred a financial debt to the State due to an absent minded mistake and we’re in a situation where you had the income to be able to pay the ticket. Lucky you. Want a cookie?
Framing it as a moral failing of the individual is simplistic, shortsighted, and frankly judgmental.
Systemically, punitive fines as a method of deterrent for a crime is only marginally effective while simultaneously being unfairly punishing to those of lower class income due to systemic externalities. The only reason it is popular in its usage is due to the additional benefits to the state as a stream of revenue as explained previously.
Being unable to read a sign posted every 200metres and act accordingly is a moral failing.
You are right that there are better ways to “guide” selfish idiots into driving slower, and the set fine means that it stings people like me (thanks for the underhanded insult though!) ruins others and means nothing to some. That’s a much bigger societal problem.
Fun fact: once people get ticketed, by and large they slow down. Then once enough people on the route get a ticket, TRAFFIC slows down.
Source: I was there for Parkside. It was wild watching more and more people shift to a slow speed. You could literally tell who’d been ticketed for a few weeks in the middle. There was a short time where I’d call it “chaotic” because enough people were slowed down but a large enough percentage were still speeding and you basically had a road with 2 speed “limits”
Within a few months it had all settled and now people drive slower there. I got one ticket. I paid it.
If that was the case, then speeding wouldn’t exist now and we wouldn’t need traffic calming and improved urban design. The majority of speeding isn’t done intentionally, and it is just a result of people driving at a speed that is comfortable based on the physical conditions and design of the road they are driving on.
Congratulations, you incurred a financial debt to the State due to an absent minded mistake and we’re in a situation where you had the income to be able to pay the ticket. Lucky you. Want a cookie?
Framing it as a moral failing of the individual is simplistic, shortsighted, and frankly judgmental. Systemically, punitive fines as a method of deterrent for a crime is only marginally effective while simultaneously being unfairly punishing to those of lower class income due to systemic externalities. The only reason it is popular in its usage is due to the additional benefits to the state as a stream of revenue as explained previously.
Being unable to read a sign posted every 200metres and act accordingly is a moral failing.
You are right that there are better ways to “guide” selfish idiots into driving slower, and the set fine means that it stings people like me (thanks for the underhanded insult though!) ruins others and means nothing to some. That’s a much bigger societal problem.