At least true crime youtubers won’t have to bleep half their videos anymore /s
“Free speech” under capitalism means the freedom to promote fascism, rascism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, etc…
But if you post half a second of a Disney movie, your account will be permanently deleted.
Great, now that 50% of a video can be a direct call for genocide, does that at LEAST mean I can use ONE instance of a “bad” word or speak of “icky” things like death and drug abuse without being demonized?
Introducing: Pay More, Say More
Surely this can’t become deeply problematic for the social fabric.
Moderators were previously told to remove videos if one-quarter or more of the content violated YouTube policies. Now, that limit has been increased to half.
This seems like alien speak to me. They announce that shit, someone read it, and then repeated it in an article. But what does it mean?
Can you have 6 contents and make 2 really crazy? Can you tell people to commit violence for 5 minutes and then review a game for 6 minutes? Is there a dude with tvtropes open going through and marking the contents of content?
I’ve worked for TnS at a different company.
I would guess it is likely per video, or they have multiple types of review going over it on a per video basis and then also maybe the channel as a whole?
So you could have half of any video contain the violating content, and it would be clear.
It depends on who is being targeted.
If you make a video calling for attacks on women, palestinians, gay people, etc., that’s all good!
If you talk about taxing rich people, that’s extreme violence. Immediate ban.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.
Example: Unaliving; PDF file; grape; etc.
Reality: Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and other right wing grifters receive zero censorship while YouTubers still have to self censor to receive monetization.
Actual reality: Right-wing grifters are already on a “whitelist”, as long as they also talk about lower taxes, lessening regulations and worker’s protections, and also got popular enough. Source: knew a former moderator for Google.
whitelist vs discovered the algorithm, same thing really.
YouTube started to censor foss content for being violet and dangerous.
for being violet
But what if it was chartreuse?
They won’t ever say it out loud but they have always removed videos for mentioning alternative frontends or other technology they view as direct threats to their revenue stream.
How long before Google locks YT down only to Chrome on Windows, Mac, ChromeOS, or Android, and blocks it from loading at all on non-Chrome browsers and on Linux or iOS, blocks it from loading at all if ad blockers, including hardware-based ad blockers ala PiHole, are implemented, and enforces hardware security measures ala TPM2 for authentication, and ensures that no one can download and re-upload YT vids, with DRM?
Basically, I wouldn’t put it above them to ensure their video platform only runs on their browser, on hardware and OS platforms they deem worthy of running it, even down to somehow implementing a Vanguard-style rootkit.
they are working on it
- https://sh.itjust.works/post/2147959
- https://monero.town/post/989081
- https://lemmy.ml/post/2546109
- https://github.com/chromium/chromium/pull/187
don’t worry, they didn’t abandon it. they have continued development hidden from sight in the android version of the chromium engine
Intention: YouTubers can stop with the whole self censoring shit.
lol. that’s not the intention.
This is just going to be used to allow fascist propaganda, isn’t it?
yes, surprising a total of 0 people.
I am Jack’s lack of surprise.
And still block curse words and specific terms. Fuck this place
Fuck this place
Are you implying you don’t use YT at all? Or you use it and choose to be unhappy with it?
Just curious, I often get mad because they need to censor words, but not to the degrees to say 'fuck this place" and move to the other (unborn) alternative.
The alternatives are there. They don’t have the volume of course, but they’re very much born…
Yes they are, some from the very conception of YouTube perhaps, but they are not real alternatives a real alternative would be one where all your subscriptions also upload the same content there, it is totally not YT based and you get the same or similar ecosystem Google provides, I don’t think too many channels fit this.
I mean, if your requirement for a youtube alternative is that it’s as big as YouTube, you’re just guaranteeing that there will never be a YouTube alternative…
Yeah perhaps, we are here on Lemmy after all, which I consider a Reddit alternative, but with YouTube the thing is different because we follow individuals, and here we follow subjects, hopefully somebody can truly stand out against Google in the video field, a movement big enough to motivate content creators to check it out, the last thing I hear was about Odysee, which I think is a step in the right direction.
Peertube is also a thing. Obviously, someone can’t make it on Peertube alone, but lots of folk out there upload to YouTube and to Peertube
Personally I don’t use YouTube the website at all at this point. I’m 100℅ Freetube and yt-dlp/Plex for watching the channels I like.
That’s fine, still YouTube at its core though.
I’m not sure of what you mean at the end there.
I see youtube content. I do not pay for it and they are likely unhappy that I get to use it as they get zero benefit from it.
Yep. It’s exactly what Facebook did not long ago. It’s just the most open oligarchy you can imagine, just consolidating their interests to push fascism at full throttle.
Its gonna be interesting, knowing some world cup is gonna happen on US soil as well.
I assume you mean fascist propaganda over and above the right wing rabbit holes that already exist on YouTube….
Ugh, this is terrible.
there were so much rw propaganda before they announced this.
First thought exactly.
Well yes. You obviously still can’t say “le dollar bean” without getting nuked from orbit. YouTube is a goodly Christian corporation after all, can’t have such content.
I like freedom of speech but it seems like it would be pretty difficult to weigh those things against one another. what is the metric that they have in common? I don’t know that there is one
Can we talk about adblockers, or is that still somehow worse than nazi shit?
Btw they removed a popular Youtuber’s “Degoogle Your Life” series lmfao (Linus Tech Tips). But a far-right thinnly-veiled racist video? All a’okay according to Google.
I still wouldn’t trust Google not to nuke my channel on a whim even in spite of those relaxed moderation rules. What’s stopping a little bribe from the right company or political party from causing them to backpedal or even tighten their grip further?
This is why one should at least mirror their content to PeerTube or a similar alternative platform like that even if they’re not going to just outright post future content to said alternative and give up on YT altogether.
they dont need to nuke your channel, they just bury your videos with thier algorithim, this is what pushed many smaller content creators off youtube in the pass. a channel i used to follow, i would have to painstakingly search it through other videos that arnt even related to it.
I agree. We’ve seen enough times in the past where a creator would get a strike from a video several years old because the rules changes. Anyone legit should be careful.
i saw that on a channel i used to follow, they were getting strike so they had to take it down. kinda hoping they would give them the last strike, because turned into trump loving shitheels
Slope’s Game Room is about to lose his channel over ‘hate speech’ that isn’t even his. One more reason for me to not post any future video content to YT if I ever seriously get into making vids and instead just posting everything to PeerTube where it at least isn’t in danger of getting nuked because Google got pissed at me.
See the issue here is Google/Youtube still get to be the ones to decide what “may outweigh the harm risk”. And the answer I bet will usually be whichever one serves their financial interests.
Which on one hand sure, it is their platform after all. But don’t do me dry and claim you used lube.
Do people still have to say unalive?
Censorship is goddamn stupid. They should just tag content & let people decide what to filter.
People have literally never had to say that.
First off it was Tiktok, not YouTube, that started the “unalived” trend, but even then make no mistake, “killed,” “murdered,” “died,” etc has never been banned on tiktok either.
What has been happening is that videos (on tiktok) with “potentially divisive content” are not being promoted by tiktok. You video will not get removed just for saying the word “killed” and will still be fully available for viewing by your followers, it just won’t be promoted on the For You page for strangers.
And it’s fine if you still object to this, but we have to stop conflating the two. Not being promoting is not the same thing as being censored.
Yes but that’s not really a problem like the overwhelming fascism.
Content speak continously erodes my frontal lobe.
I’m going to start using “inhumed”.
Wait what??? This came out of nowhere ??
YouTube not cracking down on free speech??
If only half of that leniency were granted to selfhosting tools and adblockers
We will (still) allow children’s cartoon characters to be mutilated and put into explicit situations and then push them as child friendly, but how dare you use a swear in the first 15 seconds of a video or say the work kill.
