Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
You mean Mustafa Kemal had no ill will when his army was massacring 200k Armenians in Kars and further during Turkish-Armenian war of 1920? Or burning Smyrna with its inhabitants?
The best argument in favor of any pessimism about future is how Westerners conditioned to know that Hitler is bad, very bad, praise Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. BTW, in kinda similar terms to the popular praise of Hitler in English-speaking countries before the war.
As a person he was absolutely not better, however he was intelligent enough to pick achievable goals.
That’s an emotional reply. However he did fucked up the country pretty bad. But he uses Ataturk’s methods to stay in power, which apparently he studied them well. Of course it doesn’t describe him alone, he’s a combination of an Islamist, a centrist and a Kemalist. More or like what an islamokemalist is.
Ah yes, I can see how you can see the guy who used religion all his political career to his advantage and shat on the constitution just so he can stay in power longer, as a Kemalist.
I know, it’s basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.
If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that’d be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.
Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.
No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.
So - Erdogan’s Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I’ll even agree he’s kinda better than many other variants.
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!
You mean Mustafa Kemal had no ill will when his army was massacring 200k Armenians in Kars and further during Turkish-Armenian war of 1920? Or burning Smyrna with its inhabitants?
The best argument in favor of any pessimism about future is how Westerners conditioned to know that Hitler is bad, very bad, praise Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. BTW, in kinda similar terms to the popular praise of Hitler in English-speaking countries before the war.
As a person he was absolutely not better, however he was intelligent enough to pick achievable goals.
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamokemalism
The dude is trying to delete Mustafa Kemal’s name everywhere, claiming he is a kemalist is the equivelant of calling Stalin a nazi,
It is from a point of view of political science. He hates Ataturk but that doesn’t prevent him to use his methods.
he isnt comparable the toenail of Mustafa Kemal. All he does is selling off state properties and factories, polar opposite of what Ataturk did.
That’s an emotional reply. However he did fucked up the country pretty bad. But he uses Ataturk’s methods to stay in power, which apparently he studied them well. Of course it doesn’t describe him alone, he’s a combination of an Islamist, a centrist and a Kemalist. More or like what an islamokemalist is.
Ah yes, I can see how you can see the guy who used religion all his political career to his advantage and shat on the constitution just so he can stay in power longer, as a Kemalist.
/s
Like legit, the guy hates Ataturk’s guts, yet these idiots claim that he is a Kemalist.
I want what they are smoking. Must be some pretty good shit.
As I said, it’s a baseline for Turkey. Relative to that baseline he’s almost an Islamist, yep. Relative to it he was also a liberal initially.
I know, it’s basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.
If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that’d be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.
Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.
No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.
So - Erdogan’s Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.
Of course, it does not have the same goal. But it uses the same system.