NRA been quiet right

  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    I get your point, but let’s be serious. That point is about being responsible. How often do fire extinguishers get kids killed?

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      10 hours ago

      The question is how often are they not used and kids die in fires?

      Same question is, how often are kids killed by the police?

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        10 hours ago

        Idk but i don’t think fires are all that common, and we have plenty of other mechanisms to prevent fires from even happening.

        OTOH, guns being stored incorrectly is for sure far higher than any fire death you are trying to make equivalent.

        I am not strawmanning you here, but i am calling you out for being disingenuous. Like I said:

        I get your point, but let’s be serious. That point is about being responsible.

        Please don’t do backflips to justify irresponsible gun owners. That is disgusting.

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          9 hours ago

          The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home. If the guns are behind locked doors away from children, they’re secured.

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            9 hours ago

            The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.

            Why would that be a wrong assumption? I am not sure what you are getting at here.

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              9 hours ago

              Not everyone who has guns has kids, and not everyone who has kids, allows their kids to access their firearms. That’s part of being responsible.

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                9 hours ago

                Now you are being silly and pedantic.

                The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.

                The answer to that is because that is where they live. Are you not in your home most of the time? If you some how are not you are a statistical outlier and not relevant to the conversation.

                To be clear, that is the kind of disgusting justifications for poor gun ownership and disingenuous takes i was calling out earlier in the thread.

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                  10 minutes ago

                  Why are you assuming that a kid has access to a firearm if it’s locked behind a door?

                  I mean I know what you’re going for here, kids find parents gun and shoot someone or shoot themselves. That’s just being a shit parent. Kinda like the kid getting your keys and crashing your car. Or finding the matches and burning down the house. There is a level of personal responsibility that is required to have kids and be an adult. There is also a level of “stupid people are going to do stupid shit” that we must accept for the personal freedom we are granted. Let’s not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can’t play nanny to everyone.