Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space? The pastoral metaphor is common to pretty much every major branch of the faith.
Vance is attached to the “Rationalists” (note the capital “R” because it is a philosophy that isn’t rational) and absolutely was an edge lord regardless the phrase he used is entirely acceptable.
I have heard the metaphor. It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope. It would make sense if he was referring to his local parish’s pastor. It does not make any sense for a Catholic to describe the pope this way.
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known. I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly. I have a dear friend who was really wrestling with his faith and sexuality, who chose St Francis as his patron and was a lot more eloquent than this shit. I have had discussions with actual trad caths. The person who gave me a tour of the Vatican worked for the Vatican.
The way Vance is talking is off putting and weird, and along with basically everything else about him, indicates that he doesn’t give a shit about the religion or its beliefs. He’s like a 4chan asshole who converts because they like posting Deus Vult and “Remove Kebab” memes. Aesthetic, not substance.
It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope
Yes, it is. He is the pastor to the entire Roman Catholic faith. It’s kind of awkward but not out of line like if he had called him a bishop or Imam.
I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly.
OK? What does that mean? Heck are they Catholics from Ireland or American Roman Catholics whose ancestors cane from Ireland? What significance should this be assigned if none are clergy?
I do know some Americans call themselves Irish, if I did not why would I ask that question to begin with?
Regardless, what special status do you think being Irish grants when it comes to Roman Catholicism? It isn’t as if that nation understands their faith better than others do yet you specifically cite them, why? American Roman Catholics are not any different in this regard.
I don’t think your Irish or “Irish” family are authorities on this subject.
Yes you are when you specifically mention devout Irish Catholics as support for your claim. They do not have any expertise and that wouldn’t transfer if they do. In fact there’s a strong argument that the Irish church is the branch that has the worst grasp on the faith.
The point has been the sane consistently and it’s that Vance’s wording is fine. The Pope is a pastor to the flock. The fact your family doesn’t use the phrase is meaningless
Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space? The pastoral metaphor is common to pretty much every major branch of the faith.
Vance is attached to the “Rationalists” (note the capital “R” because it is a philosophy that isn’t rational) and absolutely was an edge lord regardless the phrase he used is entirely acceptable.
Nope, never.
Then. how have you never heard or seen this metaphor before? It’s incredibly commonplace
I have heard the metaphor. It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope. It would make sense if he was referring to his local parish’s pastor. It does not make any sense for a Catholic to describe the pope this way.
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known. I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly. I have a dear friend who was really wrestling with his faith and sexuality, who chose St Francis as his patron and was a lot more eloquent than this shit. I have had discussions with actual trad caths. The person who gave me a tour of the Vatican worked for the Vatican.
The way Vance is talking is off putting and weird, and along with basically everything else about him, indicates that he doesn’t give a shit about the religion or its beliefs. He’s like a 4chan asshole who converts because they like posting Deus Vult and “Remove Kebab” memes. Aesthetic, not substance.
lol. You should try google sometime. Pretty sure the US Conference of Catholic Bishops would disagree…
Cool story.
Yes, it is. He is the pastor to the entire Roman Catholic faith. It’s kind of awkward but not out of line like if he had called him a bishop or Imam.
OK? What does that mean? Heck are they Catholics from Ireland or American Roman Catholics whose ancestors cane from Ireland? What significance should this be assigned if none are clergy?
You know diaspora is a thing, and a lot of Irish American families identify specifically as Irish Catholics?
Also had a buddy that was actually from Ireland and raised Catholic. He was a pretty vocal atheist but also hooked me onto how lit Sinn Fein is.
I do know some Americans call themselves Irish, if I did not why would I ask that question to begin with?
Regardless, what special status do you think being Irish grants when it comes to Roman Catholicism? It isn’t as if that nation understands their faith better than others do yet you specifically cite them, why? American Roman Catholics are not any different in this regard.
I don’t think your Irish or “Irish” family are authorities on this subject.
Am I claiming a special status here?
My claim is that he doesn’t sound like Catholics I have known, specifically the family members I have who have specific ties to both Irishness and Catholicism and identify with both, as do many members of the diaspora. (From my buddies stories about seeing things like “kill all taigs” graffiti growing up - I think there’s maybe something special about being an Irish Catholic that might merit being called an “Irish Catholic” rather than a regular one. Do the Polish American Catholics in Chicago worship at the same parishes as the Irish American ones?)
You’re kinda galloping all over the place looking for a point to make.
Yes you are when you specifically mention devout Irish Catholics as support for your claim. They do not have any expertise and that wouldn’t transfer if they do. In fact there’s a strong argument that the Irish church is the branch that has the worst grasp on the faith.
The point has been the sane consistently and it’s that Vance’s wording is fine. The Pope is a pastor to the flock. The fact your family doesn’t use the phrase is meaningless