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Jack Dorsey backs diVine, a Vine reboot that includes Vine’s video archive of 6-second, looping videos.
Plus, because it’s built on Nostr, a decentralized protocol favored by Dorsey, and is open source, developers can set up and create their own apps and run their own hosts, relays, and media servers.
Sounds great in paper, in reality it amounts to little more than Twitter with Lightning (Bitcoin) duct-taped to the side
I don’t think that’s entirely fair; the Nostr protocol has a modular design philosophy, with most components being optional addons, including the Bitcoin payments stuff. It’s genuinely decentralized and explicitly made to be easy to not use any baggage you don’t like.
It’s unclear from the article if the use of the protocol will also mean overlap with the content and community of Nostr, which is understandable to criticize, but the protocol itself is just another take on decentralized social media that does things differently than activitypub.
The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Today, basically nobody uses it except for cryptocurrency shills. (I don’t say that as merely an insult. The people on it constantly post about cryptocurrency or use cryptocurrency-specific in-jokes.)
I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own.
Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you’ve got a lot of explaining to do.
I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism.
OK. The inventor of nostr’s own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency.
Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you’d exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don’t see why you wouldn’t just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading
I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism.
Then you don’t know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim.
Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics?
well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted.
So if someone says “the moon is made is of unicorns” and I say “what are you talking about? no it isn’t…” is that JAQing off? I’d call it challenging someone making an absurd claim.
There aren’t any concepts or domain expertise I’m hiding here – I’m merely saying “wtf are you talking about??” to someone spouting off random nonsense.
Sounds great in paper, in reality it amounts to little more than Twitter with Lightning (Bitcoin) duct-taped to the side
Lightning isn’t Bitcoin
Taping Lightning to the side of nostr sucks, but doesn’t reduce it to “little more than Twitter”
I don’t think that’s entirely fair; the Nostr protocol has a modular design philosophy, with most components being optional addons, including the Bitcoin payments stuff. It’s genuinely decentralized and explicitly made to be easy to not use any baggage you don’t like.
It’s unclear from the article if the use of the protocol will also mean overlap with the content and community of Nostr, which is understandable to criticize, but the protocol itself is just another take on decentralized social media that does things differently than activitypub.
What makes Nostr like Bitcoin?
Actually, what makes nostr like Twitter? I’ll grant that the Bitcoin aspect is indeed merely tacked on the side of an otherwise unrelated protocol.
The protocol was built to exchange cryptocurrency over it. Today, basically nobody uses it except for cryptocurrency shills. (I don’t say that as merely an insult. The people on it constantly post about cryptocurrency or use cryptocurrency-specific in-jokes.)
No it wasn’t…
Can you provide any counterevidence to the claims?
To quote them: “Nostr was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners.”
The “optional” Bitcoin payment system is baked into the biggest Nostr clients.
The claim was:
Not:
The new, watered-down framing of your claim sorta just makes me think: “Okay? And?”
I asked you for counterevidence to the claims, not apologism. The fact they left the smoking gun on their own website is enough for me, but clearly you have an agenda of your own.
Unless you expect everyone here to believe that the protocol, the clients, the funders, and the creators all just coincidentally love Bitcoin, you’ve got a lot of explaining to do.
OK. The inventor of nostr’s own wiki entry for nostr defines it as a thing for sending tweets, with zero mention of exchanging cryptocurrency.
Also, as a nostr veteran, I have no idea how you’d exchange cryptocurrency on nostr except just asking random people to trade with you. I don’t see why you wouldn’t just use bisq or haveno if you want decentralized crypto trading
Then you don’t know how burden of proof works. Instead of demanding that you back up your claim, I accepted that you wanted to water it down and refine it into something you could better defend. Which is a very milque-toast, who-cares claim.
Do you want me to have forced you to back up your original claim and devolve into semantics?
I provided proof. With links.
Will you back up your claims that the Bitcoin crap that infests the app and its community is just a coincidence?
Do you genuinely believe that? Or do you just think that everybody here is gullible?
instead of asking obviously leading questions, why not tell people what you know?
What’s wrong with using rhetorical questions as a response when people talk shit without expanding on it?
depends on the thing you’re asking about.
The example we were discussing
well in this case it was made clear they were mistaken about the whole thing and therefore the passive-aggressive tone they were using was completely unwarranted.
That wasn’t a question…
If people are going to make wild assertions, I’m going to question them about them.
your previous two replies were. and by “just asking questions” about things you obviously know more about, you’re not adding to the conversation.
So if someone says “the moon is made is of unicorns” and I say “what are you talking about? no it isn’t…” is that JAQing off? I’d call it challenging someone making an absurd claim.
There aren’t any concepts or domain expertise I’m hiding here – I’m merely saying “wtf are you talking about??” to someone spouting off random nonsense.
false equivalency. they made a plausible claim.