The fact that you’re even questioning that the USSR defeated Nazism proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about. 80% of dead Nazi soldiers were thanks to the eastern front. 25 million Soviet lives were eliminated in the struggle against fascism.
I’m from one of the countries that suffered massive atrocities under the bastards
Oh no, the atrocities of universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, industrialization, guaranteed employment and the abolishment of homelessness. What a horrifying regime. Eastern Europe is so much better now that capitalism returned and you have wars again. I bet my ass your childhood was after 1990 and you’re just repeating capitalist anticommunist propaganda.
I suppose you don’t understand the difference between war and peace?
There is no peace with Nazis, they only understand genocide and invasion.
the bullshit you’re saying about russians
I didn’t say the word “Russians” in my previous comment. I mentioned the USSR being the reason why Nazis didn’t exterminate your ethnicity, but the USSR was a plurinational state composed of many ethnicities. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians, Uzbeki, Kazakh, and many of the nationalities of Russia such as Bashkir, Slavic Russians or Mari gave their lives defending your family from Nazism. Have some respect for all the brave soldiers who fought so that you can spew bullshit online today.
Saving Eastern Europe from Nazi extermination is as bad as universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, the elimination of unemployment, universal right to housing and abolition of homelessness, and the doubling of life expectancy from the Tsarist Empire to 1960.
Listen, I get that you’re just trolling, so this is more directed to anyone that can be convinced by your comment.
USSR saved no one. They took over other nations and killed a lot of people in the process. They ripped families apart and took them to their own concentration camps in Siberia. Most of these people were worked to death and died starving.
Before WWII Soviet regime decided that Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist and killed millions in Holodomor (Ukrainian famine).
In history they we’re never saviors, they were just another occupant and an unfortunate ally in WWII. What they brought to my country was repressions and deficits. I guess planned economy doesn’t really work.
The life my parents lived under Soviets was shit and it only improved after we regained independence.
Hero washing USSR only serves as propaganda. They were not heroes, they were winners. It doesn’t make them any better than the other side.
Not trolling at all. The USSR saved TENS OF MILLIONS of lives from Nazi genocide in Eastern Europe alone. Nazis wanted to carry out Generalplan Ost and eliminate or enslave all population between Germany and the Urals. The only reason why they were stopped was thanks to the massive efforts of the Soviet Industrial Revolution which was kickstarted in 1929, when the country’s economy recovered from the devastation of the Russian Civil War, in which the “allies” (UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, USA, France, Poland…) Invaded the country unprovoked and unilaterally for the sin of being communist.
Life expectancy in Soviet Russia was 27 years of age by the 1929 economic recovery. Thirty years later, life expectancy had risen to 67 years of age. For comparison, Brazil, which didn’t go through an all-destroying civil war and an even more all-destroying world war 2 (25 million Soviet deaths by Nazism), had a life expectancy of 36 in 1930, and by 1960 it was merely 53. The revolution in agriculture, industry and medicine in the USSR saved, by any reasonable metric, tens of millions lives more than any comparable capitalist country at the time, and that’s not counting that they would have become a Nazi colony and either slaves or exterminated.
Before WWII Soviet regime decided that Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist and killed millions in Holodomor
“Holodomor” is a new term, propagandized recently to create the false narrative that Ukrainians were targeted in a famine in the Soviet Union during the land collectivization. There wasa big famine in the entire USSR, affecting especially hard in Ukraine, Southern Russia and Kazakhstan, I’m not denying the famine, I’m denying the idea that it was enforced in Ukrainians for some racist reasons. There is no precedent and no followup of mistreatment of Ukrainians in the USSR, there are no documents proving any intent to hurt Ukraine specifically, and there was no motive to do so, it’s used as a propaganda element to radicalize people against Communism now that sentiments towards Ukraine are reasonably high.
If you care about Ukrainian lives, which you seem to do, you’d be better off doing anti-capitalist propaganda. Capitalism brought hunger, drugs, unemployment, violence, crime, suicide and alcoholism to unprecedented levels in Ukraine. Massive emigrations, low birthrates, high mortality and finally war, have brought on Ukraine a horrifying [demographic crisis]. Between the dissolution of the USSR in 1990 and the war in Ukraine, Ukraine had already lost 7 million people to the causes cited above. As it stands now, there are an estimated 28 million citizens in Ukraine, from the peak of 52 million in 1990. I agree that Ukraine is a land that has been fucked over in the ass repeatedly in history, first during Tsarism and the Russian Empire, then during Nazi invasion, and finally during capitalist restoration. I hope we can both condemn the three processes above in their scope of murdering millions of innocent Ukrainians.
All of the achievements of the USSR, including the saving of tens of millions of people from genocide, starvation and disease, were carried out in a unique way in history: without participating in colonialism. The USSR had no colonies in Africa, in South America or in Asia, in the same way that UK, France or USA did during their industrial development. The modern western countries enjoy a high (albeit constantly worsening) standard of living because they stand on the backs of billions in the global south. For every French with free healthcare and education, there are 10 Indians, Ethiopians and Pakistanis starving. I’m glad your life is materially better in some ways now than it was 50 years ago, but this is entirely on the backs of the global south.
The fact that you’re even questioning that the USSR defeated Nazism proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about. 80% of dead Nazi soldiers were thanks to the eastern front. 25 million Soviet lives were eliminated in the struggle against fascism.
Buddy, who supplied the half the rifles and 90% of ammo that the ruskies used on the Eastern Front? Who supplied the fuel, trucks and tires? Who supplied the food, and even the fucking uniforms?
And who opened the second front, forcing Nazis to divide and defend on two sides, allowing USSR to actually start pushing back?
Oh no, the atrocities of universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, industrialization, guaranteed employment and the abolishment of homelessness
You mean the atrocities of political purges, the elimination of intelligentsia and military officers, the russification, the brainwashing, the poverty, the mismanagement, the hunger and millions dead?
There is no peace with Nazis, they only understand genocide and invasion.
You know what? Looking at russia right now, I retract my previous statement and have to agree with you here.
I didn’t say the word “Russians” in my previous comment. I mentioned the USSR
USSR == russia, but slightly larger, but relatively the same on the “shit-stain of the world” scale.
Have some respect for all the brave soldiers who fought so that you can spew bullshit online today
I have respect to the soldiers who fought. I don’t have respect to those that raped and pillaged the entire way to Berlin. Unfortunately, the first group was considerably smaller than the second.
Buddy, who supplied the half the rifles and 90% of ammo that the ruskies used on the Eastern Front?
Why are you so obsessed with Russians and invisibilizing the heroic contribution of the rest of ethnicities? Are you an anti-Ukrainian nazi? Also, you’re literally making up the numbers, the most manufactured and used tank in WW2 was the Soviet T-34. The contributions by the USA were measurable and necessary and they deserve the appropriate praise, but you’re denying history by saying the soviets didnt win the war.
allowing USSR to actually start pushing back?
Wrong. The victory in Stalingrad and the pushing of Nazis to the west happened well before the opening of the western front by the USA. You’re literally lying here.
You mean the atrocities of political purges, the elimination of intelligentsia and military officers
Oh no, the poor military officers of (presumably Poland), they were just good guys when they happily invaded Ukraine and Belarus in 1918 and when they annexed Czechoslovakia with the Nazis.
the russification
Bullshit. Everyone in Uzbekistan speaks Uzbek, people in Mari El studied in Mari, people in Poland studied in Polish, people in Lithuania studied in Lithuanian, as proven by the fact that those are still the primary languages and cultures in their respective regions (except possibly Mari because the capitalist Russian Federation doesn’t respect multi ethnicity). Stop making up shit. If you’re so concerned with the assimilation of peoples, go open a campaign for the rights of Occitanian people, they had 1+mn speakers in 1920 and they’re barely 100k nowadays. THAT’S what cultural assimilation looks like.
the hunger and millions dead
Life expectancy skyrocketed under Soviet policy. Life expectancy was of 27 fucking years when the Soviets got into power, and by 1960, it was above 60 years old. The policy of rapid industrialization and land collectivization literally saved millions of lives. Again, if you care so much about the “millions of deaths” in Eastern Europe, why don’t you complain about the millions of deaths from capitalist restoration? Millions died in the Eastern Block when capitalism arrived: defunding of healthcare, hunger, drug abuse, unemployment, alcoholism, suicide and violent crime were the norm all over Eastern Europe since 1990. Blame fucking capitalism for what it did.
USSR == russia
You’re literally a Ukrainian-hating nationalist. Gorbachev was Ukrainian and so was Brezhnev, the presidents for the longest time in the Soviet Union were Ukrainian.
I don’t have respect to those that raped and pillaged the entire way to Berlin
Literal Nazi propaganda. Seeing how you hate Ukrainians and how you’re spewing Nazi bullshit, I have no choice but to conclude you’re a polish Nazi. I’m surprised you’re not siding with Putin, he’s killing hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians in the name of capitalism.
I’m not going to respond to you anymore because I dont debate Nazis. Have fun responding to me and malding
but you’re denying history by saying the soviets didnt win the war
I’m stating facts. Soviets didn’t win the war on their own. They’d be rolled over if not for UK/US help. Berlin would’ve been taken by the Allies even if the Soviets were sitting on their asses.
The victory in Stalingrad and the pushing of Nazis to the west happened well before the opening of the western front by the USA. You’re literally lying here.
When did Lend-Lease start?
When did the Battle for Britain start?
Who supplied the resistance movements in occupied countries?
[everything else] Literal Nazi propaganda
I guess my grandmother was a Nazi propagandist.
EOT, I don’t have time to talk to russian-brainwashed people.
All fundamentalists should be reeducated.
Reeducation through violence is the methodology of totalitarian regimes, like the Third Reich, the USSR/russia, or China.
Good luck debating Nazis. The USSR famously defeated them, BTW, you can thank them for being alive today if you’re European.
I suppose you decry the violence that the USA exerted on Nazi Germany?
Who said anything about debating?
LOL, good one! :D
I’m from one of the countries that suffered massive atrocities under the bastards.
I suppose you don’t understand the difference between war and peace? Actually makes sense considering the bullshit you’re saying about russians…
The fact that you’re even questioning that the USSR defeated Nazism proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about. 80% of dead Nazi soldiers were thanks to the eastern front. 25 million Soviet lives were eliminated in the struggle against fascism.
Oh no, the atrocities of universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, industrialization, guaranteed employment and the abolishment of homelessness. What a horrifying regime. Eastern Europe is so much better now that capitalism returned and you have wars again. I bet my ass your childhood was after 1990 and you’re just repeating capitalist anticommunist propaganda.
There is no peace with Nazis, they only understand genocide and invasion.
I didn’t say the word “Russians” in my previous comment. I mentioned the USSR being the reason why Nazis didn’t exterminate your ethnicity, but the USSR was a plurinational state composed of many ethnicities. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians, Uzbeki, Kazakh, and many of the nationalities of Russia such as Bashkir, Slavic Russians or Mari gave their lives defending your family from Nazism. Have some respect for all the brave soldiers who fought so that you can spew bullshit online today.
Did USSR help defeat Nazi Germany? Yes. Were USSR just as bad? Oh, most definitely yes.
Saving Eastern Europe from Nazi extermination is as bad as universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, the elimination of unemployment, universal right to housing and abolition of homelessness, and the doubling of life expectancy from the Tsarist Empire to 1960.
Listen, I get that you’re just trolling, so this is more directed to anyone that can be convinced by your comment.
USSR saved no one. They took over other nations and killed a lot of people in the process. They ripped families apart and took them to their own concentration camps in Siberia. Most of these people were worked to death and died starving.
Before WWII Soviet regime decided that Ukrainians don’t deserve to exist and killed millions in Holodomor (Ukrainian famine).
In history they we’re never saviors, they were just another occupant and an unfortunate ally in WWII. What they brought to my country was repressions and deficits. I guess planned economy doesn’t really work.
The life my parents lived under Soviets was shit and it only improved after we regained independence.
Hero washing USSR only serves as propaganda. They were not heroes, they were winners. It doesn’t make them any better than the other side.
Not trolling at all. The USSR saved TENS OF MILLIONS of lives from Nazi genocide in Eastern Europe alone. Nazis wanted to carry out Generalplan Ost and eliminate or enslave all population between Germany and the Urals. The only reason why they were stopped was thanks to the massive efforts of the Soviet Industrial Revolution which was kickstarted in 1929, when the country’s economy recovered from the devastation of the Russian Civil War, in which the “allies” (UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, USA, France, Poland…) Invaded the country unprovoked and unilaterally for the sin of being communist.
Life expectancy in Soviet Russia was 27 years of age by the 1929 economic recovery. Thirty years later, life expectancy had risen to 67 years of age. For comparison, Brazil, which didn’t go through an all-destroying civil war and an even more all-destroying world war 2 (25 million Soviet deaths by Nazism), had a life expectancy of 36 in 1930, and by 1960 it was merely 53. The revolution in agriculture, industry and medicine in the USSR saved, by any reasonable metric, tens of millions lives more than any comparable capitalist country at the time, and that’s not counting that they would have become a Nazi colony and either slaves or exterminated.
“Holodomor” is a new term, propagandized recently to create the false narrative that Ukrainians were targeted in a famine in the Soviet Union during the land collectivization. There was a big famine in the entire USSR, affecting especially hard in Ukraine, Southern Russia and Kazakhstan, I’m not denying the famine, I’m denying the idea that it was enforced in Ukrainians for some racist reasons. There is no precedent and no followup of mistreatment of Ukrainians in the USSR, there are no documents proving any intent to hurt Ukraine specifically, and there was no motive to do so, it’s used as a propaganda element to radicalize people against Communism now that sentiments towards Ukraine are reasonably high.
If you care about Ukrainian lives, which you seem to do, you’d be better off doing anti-capitalist propaganda. Capitalism brought hunger, drugs, unemployment, violence, crime, suicide and alcoholism to unprecedented levels in Ukraine. Massive emigrations, low birthrates, high mortality and finally war, have brought on Ukraine a horrifying [demographic crisis]. Between the dissolution of the USSR in 1990 and the war in Ukraine, Ukraine had already lost 7 million people to the causes cited above. As it stands now, there are an estimated 28 million citizens in Ukraine, from the peak of 52 million in 1990. I agree that Ukraine is a land that has been fucked over in the ass repeatedly in history, first during Tsarism and the Russian Empire, then during Nazi invasion, and finally during capitalist restoration. I hope we can both condemn the three processes above in their scope of murdering millions of innocent Ukrainians.
All of the achievements of the USSR, including the saving of tens of millions of people from genocide, starvation and disease, were carried out in a unique way in history: without participating in colonialism. The USSR had no colonies in Africa, in South America or in Asia, in the same way that UK, France or USA did during their industrial development. The modern western countries enjoy a high (albeit constantly worsening) standard of living because they stand on the backs of billions in the global south. For every French with free healthcare and education, there are 10 Indians, Ethiopians and Pakistanis starving. I’m glad your life is materially better in some ways now than it was 50 years ago, but this is entirely on the backs of the global south.
Buddy, who supplied the half the rifles and 90% of ammo that the ruskies used on the Eastern Front? Who supplied the fuel, trucks and tires? Who supplied the food, and even the fucking uniforms?
And who opened the second front, forcing Nazis to divide and defend on two sides, allowing USSR to actually start pushing back?
You mean the atrocities of political purges, the elimination of intelligentsia and military officers, the russification, the brainwashing, the poverty, the mismanagement, the hunger and millions dead?
You know what? Looking at russia right now, I retract my previous statement and have to agree with you here.
USSR == russia, but slightly larger, but relatively the same on the “shit-stain of the world” scale.
I have respect to the soldiers who fought. I don’t have respect to those that raped and pillaged the entire way to Berlin. Unfortunately, the first group was considerably smaller than the second.
Why are you so obsessed with Russians and invisibilizing the heroic contribution of the rest of ethnicities? Are you an anti-Ukrainian nazi? Also, you’re literally making up the numbers, the most manufactured and used tank in WW2 was the Soviet T-34. The contributions by the USA were measurable and necessary and they deserve the appropriate praise, but you’re denying history by saying the soviets didnt win the war.
Wrong. The victory in Stalingrad and the pushing of Nazis to the west happened well before the opening of the western front by the USA. You’re literally lying here.
Oh no, the poor military officers of (presumably Poland), they were just good guys when they happily invaded Ukraine and Belarus in 1918 and when they annexed Czechoslovakia with the Nazis.
Bullshit. Everyone in Uzbekistan speaks Uzbek, people in Mari El studied in Mari, people in Poland studied in Polish, people in Lithuania studied in Lithuanian, as proven by the fact that those are still the primary languages and cultures in their respective regions (except possibly Mari because the capitalist Russian Federation doesn’t respect multi ethnicity). Stop making up shit. If you’re so concerned with the assimilation of peoples, go open a campaign for the rights of Occitanian people, they had 1+mn speakers in 1920 and they’re barely 100k nowadays. THAT’S what cultural assimilation looks like.
Life expectancy skyrocketed under Soviet policy. Life expectancy was of 27 fucking years when the Soviets got into power, and by 1960, it was above 60 years old. The policy of rapid industrialization and land collectivization literally saved millions of lives. Again, if you care so much about the “millions of deaths” in Eastern Europe, why don’t you complain about the millions of deaths from capitalist restoration? Millions died in the Eastern Block when capitalism arrived: defunding of healthcare, hunger, drug abuse, unemployment, alcoholism, suicide and violent crime were the norm all over Eastern Europe since 1990. Blame fucking capitalism for what it did.
You’re literally a Ukrainian-hating nationalist. Gorbachev was Ukrainian and so was Brezhnev, the presidents for the longest time in the Soviet Union were Ukrainian.
Literal Nazi propaganda. Seeing how you hate Ukrainians and how you’re spewing Nazi bullshit, I have no choice but to conclude you’re a polish Nazi. I’m surprised you’re not siding with Putin, he’s killing hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians in the name of capitalism.
I’m not going to respond to you anymore because I dont debate Nazis. Have fun responding to me and malding
I’m stating facts. Soviets didn’t win the war on their own. They’d be rolled over if not for UK/US help. Berlin would’ve been taken by the Allies even if the Soviets were sitting on their asses.
When did Lend-Lease start?
When did the Battle for Britain start?
Who supplied the resistance movements in occupied countries?
I guess my grandmother was a Nazi propagandist.
EOT, I don’t have time to talk to russian-brainwashed people.
ok china we get it, your “re-education” camps work well for your brainwashing